What is this object

n3tuf · Feb 14, 2011

Found this near an old railway that ran thru an area of a Revolutionary war battle. It was found about 8" down. The object is about 1" high and 1/2" in diameter. It looks like copper or brass and just a bit larger diameter than a 50 Cal bullet.

Daedalus · Feb 14, 2011

It kind off looks like an old type leaded pop off pressure plug. They had types like this on the old Steam engines .

Tony in SC · Feb 14, 2011

Looks like a sabot or slug?? Tony

dscott67 · Feb 14, 2011

it's kinda frayed backwards like a hollow point !! maybe a .38 cal. :dontknow:

is that college rule paper under it ?

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 14, 2011

hollow point? :dontknow:

We posted the same time 8 seconds apart.

dscott67 · Feb 14, 2011

bigcypresshunter said:
hollow point?

We posted the same time 8 seconds apart.

i see that,whats the chances of that happening ?? i really think thats what that is !! some type of round,if it's larger than a .50 cal it could be a .54 cal !!

NOLA_Ken · Feb 14, 2011

definitely an expanded hollow point.

trixie charger · Feb 15, 2011

This is a modern .54cal Muzzleloader round for use in old Flintlock or Muzzleloader Rifles and Pistols.

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 15, 2011

trixie charger said:
This is a modern .54cal Muzzleloader round for use in old Flintlock or Muzzleloader Rifles and Pistols.

I think Tony in SC and trixie got it. Its a sabot bullet from a hunter. I wonder if the sabot prevents rifling of the slug? Green check?

trixie charger · Feb 15, 2011

bigcypresshunter said:
trixie charger said:

This is a modern .54cal Muzzleloader round for use in old Flintlock or Muzzleloader Rifles and Pistols.

Click to expand...

I think Tony in SC and trixie got it. Its a sabot bullet from a hunter. I wonder if the sabot prevents rifling of the slug? Green check?

Thank you BCH, :occasion14:

Monty · Feb 16, 2011

Dang, that looks like awfully thick metal for a bullet. If it is it certainly is a sabot since there are no rifling marks on it. I have a .50 caliber muzzle loader and it shoots a saboted bullet that is .45 or .44 caliber. My .54 caliber rifle also shoots a .45 caliber bullet only in a thicker sabot. I haven't bought bullets lately for the .54, but a true bore size bullet would not have a sabot. So I am confused. Monty

n3tuf · Feb 16, 2011

Here is another photo with other objects for scale. The expanded object is larger in diameter than the 50 Cal bullet to the left and is the same diameter as the new 3 ring Minie which is .58 Cal. The scale shows it at as 1" long.

hunterV3 · Feb 17, 2011

I don't know the bore diameter, but maybe a sabot from a 12 gauge shotgun.

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 17, 2011

hunterV3 said:
I don't know the bore diameter, but maybe a sabot from a 12 gauge shotgun.

You know what? I just realized the item is not lead but copper making it a sabot shotgun slug. :icon_thumright:

http://www.remington.com/products/a.../managed-recoil-copper-solid-sabot-slugs.aspx

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46.htm

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 17, 2011

Just to be sure, I dug out one of my muzzleloading sabots and its copper coated lead. Considering size and solid copper means its a modern shotgun slug. Unless there are any objections, the green check is in order.

planejet42 · Feb 17, 2011

It looks like a fired bullet or shrapnel. :dontknow:

n3tuf · Feb 17, 2011

I don't think it's a match yet. There is no crimp marks like the one copper slug shown in the previous post and the length if the side slices for expansion don't match up either. The weight is .993 oz

dscott67 · Feb 17, 2011

that round came out of a casing,and i don't think it's a shotgun round,the reason it looks a little bigger is because of the impact it made on something which means that not only did the end open up but the force also went into the base which makes it look a little bigger from the base up! it could be a .50 cal before impact but look like a .54 after impact,by no means is it in it's manufactured state !!

and it still looks like a hollow point to me !@! :icon_thumleft:

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 17, 2011

n3tuf said:
I don't think it's a match yet. There is no crimp marks like the one copper slug shown in the previous post and the length if the side slices for expansion don't match up either. The weight is .993 oz

What crimp mark? :icon_scratch:

There are no crimp marks on most saboted bullets including shotgun sabots. I only posted that last pic to show a copper coated lead bullet.

I believe your slug is a hollow point solid copper shotgun sabot. What do you think it is? I agree it looks older but how old are solid copper bullets? I dont think it could be a muzzleloading sabot because its not lead.
Do they may solid copper .54 caliber bullets?

Here is the pic again.

Bigcypresshunter · Feb 17, 2011

dscott67 said:
that round came out of a casing,and i don't think it's a shotgun round,the reason it looks a little bigger is because of the impact it made on something which means that not only did the end open up but the force also went into the base which makes it look a little bigger from the base up! it could be a .50 cal before impact but look like a .54 after impact,by no means is it in it's manufactured state !! and it still looks like a hollow point to me !@!

How do you explain the solid copper bullet and lack of rifling? Just asking.

Yes of course its a hollow point but there is no crimp or rifling. There is also no lead.

Im not a bullet guy and Im out of my league here but Im willing to learn..