Whats a Dowser?

[Reed Lukens]

Even though dowsers can find gold veins underground and I have. Being shut down by the feds and their anti-mining regulations is still the major hurdle. Then after that you have to be certified for underground work, certified and trained for blasting, a state inspected & certified explosives bunker, you need to have your waste dump specified and they will ask for a bond along with a poo. Plus you have to file a claim and do all of the paperwork along with taking the time to make sure that it doesn't belong to someone else. Regulating people out of their mines is what California is doing now with the dredging ban and Wild Injustice, not approving them. They want your guns, your gold, your money, and your lands

 

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[0121stockpicker]

I think it is pretty well agreed upon by most that dowsing is just an example of the ideomotor effect - like the movements on a ouija board, etc. it's one of these things where everyone has a brothers uncles cousin who can do it or has seen someone do it. Unfortunately it's just never passed scientific muster anytime controlled experiments have been attempted. I've seen all sorts of scientific babble trying to explain it, I've seen a religious explanation and the paranormal. Along with the usual - prove that it doesn't work ( which of course is a logical fallacy and impossibility - to prove that something is impossible). So while everyone is entitled to their "beliefs" and opinions I'd say there is not scientific proof that it actually works. And as someone mentioned in a previous post you better believe that multibillion dollar companies like barack and newmont gold and exxonmobile and bp would be doing it. Best. Stay skeptical.

 

[GrizLeeBear]

Ahm from the Gov'mint and Ahm heah to heop you!

Roger that!

 

[Reed Lukens]

Actually they do use dowsers in those companies already. Did you know that the Army used dowsers in Vietnam?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Actually they do use dowsers in those companies already. Did you know that the Army used dowsers in Vietnam?
YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO3wUtD0rro&list=PLcAJzGCJ3Q7xKBjS5hNmc-T8AGHSYsY_N&index=7

And the Iraqis tried bomb dowsing and everyone called them idiots. I think some scam uk company sold them some very very expensive equipment. And don't forget in nam and during the Cold War the us tried just about everything no matter how bizarre - gay bombs, remote viewing, etc, etc. just because someone tries it does not add legitimacy. Notice the us army is no longer using it which also tells you something. And I used to talk to mining company execs everyday for about 4 yrs and never heard one of them even mention dowsing?

 

[Bigdogdad]

If you saw someone pass a dowsing test would you then believe it? I watched a couple of electronic experts who had zero belief in dowsing be forced to change the way they thought. If you do not believe in dowsing it is either because you have been told not to believe or that you have tested dowsers yourself and they failed. This is really not the correct forum for this. Anyone wishing to get more info or to get into a serious discussion about dowsing should go to the dowsing forum with their questions or opinions. I have found that trying to convert a non-believer by just talking on the internet will not work.

I have read the results of many scientific tests performed on dowsers and I know they have a great failure rate. None-the-less, it can and will work for some people and that is a known fact to thousands upon thousands of people.

Seeing is not always believing but it helps. Talk to plumbers. Many of them use it on a regular basis with great accuracy and success.

As far as the depth that it can be used it could be somewhat unlimited. There are many electronic devices such as GPR that work great. You would think it would be a simple matter to just hire a GPR expert and go out and start digging up gold. Nothing is ever as easy as it sounds. There is junk EVERYWHERE. Digging is not easy.

There are successful dowsers that will not share their stories with the public just as there are people using more conventional means to dig up gold that also wish to remain anonymous.

 

[0121stockpicker]

If you saw someone pass a dowsing test would you then believe it? I watched a couple of electronic experts who had zero belief in dowsing be forced to change the way they thought. If you do not believe in dowsing it is either because you have been told not to believe or that you have tested dowsers yourself and they failed. This is really not the correct forum for this. Anyone wishing to get more info or to get into a serious discussion about dowsing should go to the dowsing forum with their questions or opinions. I have found that trying to convert a non-believer by just talking on the internet will not work.

I have read the results of many scientific tests performed on dowsers and I know they have a great failure rate. None-the-less, it can and will work for some people and that is a known fact to thousands upon thousands of people.

Seeing is not always believing but it helps. Talk to plumbers. Many of them use it on a regular basis with great accuracy and success.

As far as the depth that it can be used it could be somewhat unlimited. There are many electronic devices such as GPR that work great. You would think it would be a simple matter to just hire a GPR expert and go out and start digging up gold. Nothing is ever as easy as it sounds. There is junk EVERYWHERE. Digging is not easy.

There are successful dowsers that will not share their stories with the public just as there are people using more conventional means to dig up gold that also wish to remain anonymous.

Actually i do not fit into one of your two categories and I believe that those are not the only two categories one can fall in to. I am simple a skeptic if claims that are not backed by science. seeing fir me is not belueving. I would be looking for a scientifically built test with enough testing to draw a statistically significant results. That's why witnesses are notoriously unreliable in the court system. We often see what we want to see. Before a new drug is approved by the FDA it undergoes testing with a statistically significant number of subjects. Everything can be tested using statistical scientific method. No chance, no second hand stories, etc, etc. this should not be difficult to do and replicate again and again if this I'd a valid method. This is what turns a belief, opinion, faith, etc into fact. I have no problem if someone wants to talk about their belief or faith in dowsing but it should not be represented as a fact IMO. Best.

 

[Reed Lukens]

Notice the us army is no longer using it which also tells you something. And I used to talk to mining company execs everyday for about 4 yrs and never heard one of them even mention dowsing?[/QUOTE]

I've worked with the dowsers that were hired by major companies to outline their areas. Many of the mines here employ dowsers, I guess they didn't want to share their secret with you... lol. Sierra Pacific uses dowsers, Nestle uses dowsers, , Granite, Tiechert, etc... all of the major gold mining companies use them as well. They may not broadcast it but they do use them and they pay very well. It's just another one of those not talked about subjects because there are so many skeptics always ready to pounce on anyone who mentions dowsing by using whatever statements they can whether true or researched, or not. It's just like the gun grabbers not being able to see why we need our guns and telling us why they don't think we should have them. There will always be skeptics or anti-dowsers, that's how the world works.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Scientific Proof is a joke...the skeptics so called tests are all a joke..Who in their right mind would spent $500,000 to put on a proper Double Blind study of Dowsing?...With 8000 years of Dowsing history you want proof?
Betz did a long study of water dowsers...The skeptics still don’t understand his results..
http://twm.co.nz/dowsing_jse_com.html
Water Diviner - Article 3
How does a water dowser work
Some of you are right...I will use any and all tools to find and recover gold..Art

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

For what it is worth I can douse water lines, phone lines, cable lines and any electricial lines under ground. I leared to do so over 30 years ago..... I am not saying I can douse anything else, but I know for a fact it works on any underground lines I have tried to find.........

 

[aarthrj3811]

If you know how to locate Underground utility lines it can save you a lot of money when something goes wrong...Years ago I owned a house where someone had planted a tree over the sewer line..About every two years the roots would plug up the line....I would have someone run a cutter through the line...One company came out and run one basket (75 foot) and told me they had to run another basket to reach the main line for $75....I paid the man and told him to leave as I knew that the main was only 60 feet away...Art

 

[vor]

Sierra Pacific uses dowsers, Nestle uses dowsers, , Granite, Tiechert, etc... all of the major gold mining companies use them as well.

Documented fact from mining companies or second hand info? Truth or urban legend?

It is easy to make statements but a whole lot harder to back them up.

Why is it that no one has ever documented a precious metal dowser being rich? Maybe they just like punching that timeclock?

V

 

[aarthrj3811]

~vor~

Why is it that no one has ever documented a precious metal dowser being rich? Maybe they just like punching that timeclock?

Could it be as simple that they are to busy enjoying their hobby?...Art

 

[Goldwasher]

could be as simple as one man can only dig so much?

 

[Red_desert]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/dowsing/329295-finds-philippines.html

 

[Bigdogdad]

Many years ago I did some dowsing experiments using young kids. I had buried some phone and electric lines in my yard. I knew EXACTLY where they were. I would show the kids how to hold the L-rods, what to ask the rods to do, and have them dowse in the area of the underground utilities. Nine out of ten of them could find the buried lines with 100% accuracy. The ones that couldn't were usually the boys that didn't seem to take it serious. The main reason the kids could dowse was because no one had told them that it would not work. I doubt if the skeptics of dowsing on T-Net have ever really given it an honest chance and tried it themselves. Of course one of the conditions for dowsing to work is that you have to believe it can. The odds are that it will not work for the skeptics.

I have noticed that since joining T-Net there seems to be a lot of people on here that get all bent out of shape about people claiming that dowsing can work. I do not know why it bothers them so much. We true believers know it does. Trying to convince these skeptics is pretty much a waste of time. Their know it all attitudes are not capable of admitting that they may be wrong. My dad was a HUGE skeptic of dowsing. He thought it was a waste of time. What I have found is that even when these types witness someone successfully dowsing the location of hidden objects they will just claim it is luck or coincidence. One of my goals is to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that dowsing can find hidden treasures. The truth will come out.

One of the lame arguements on T-Net is that if dowsing works why aren't there photos of piles of the gold found. Well gee, since metal detectors and GPR are so great where are the photos of all of the piles of gold found by the skeptics of dowsing? Finding the possible site of buried gold and actually being able to dig it up do not always go hand-in-hand. NOTHING is ever as easy as it sounds. No wait, I am wrong about that. Being a SKEPTIC is easy.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~Bigdogdad~
Many years ago I did some dowsing experiments using young kids. I had buried some phone and electric lines in my yard. I knew EXACTLY where they were. I would show the kids how to hold the L-rods, what to ask the rods to do, and have them dowse in the area of the underground utilities. Nine out of ten of them could find the buried lines with 100% accuracy. The ones that couldn't were usually the boys that didn't seem to take it serious. The main reason the kids could dowse was because no one had told them that it would not work. I doubt if the skeptics of dowsing on T-Net have ever really given it an honest chance and tried it themselves. Of course one of the conditions for dowsing to work is that you have to believe it can. The odds are that it will not work for the skeptics.

For 3 years I would go to the local high school and take the FFA students out on the baseball field....That field had buried sewer, water and electric lines..I would tell them how important it was to know where these were when they became homeowners..In those days when you purchased a new home it was on bare land...You had to put up the fences and plant the trees....90% of them could use the rods and enjoyed the experience..I just hope some of them learned something that day...Art

 

[Reed Lukens]

Documented fact from mining companies or second hand info? Truth or urban legend?

It is easy to make statements but a whole lot harder to back them up.

What do you want receipts? lol. I personally worked with the dowser Sierra Pacific hired to find some water pipes, I did the digging for them. I personally worked with another dowser Nestle hired to find spring water, the springs were found at the depth specified by him. I worked with many other people dowsing everything from pipes to gold veins for mining companies that I purposely leave unnamed because these areas are where I still work. If you want names and addresses will that be enough? You can rent a dowser for yourself. I make the statements and the videos to back them up when I do it myself. Watch the series, make some rods, then see if you can dowse. Either you can and will understand right away, or you can't and will always deny that it works because you yourself aren't tuned that way and therefore can't comprehend it even in the slightest way, and this is normal for some people. It's not rocket science. It's the same reason some people go to church and they get the same feeling in church through the spirit, that same set of feelings works for people who dowse. Even the bible says that there are some who will never understand. It's just like the witch burnings of the 1600's, if Jesus, Paul, and the apostles would have been alive and working miracles there in Salem in the 1600's, they would have been burned to death by the skeptics there claiming to be Christians. This fight has been going on for thousands of years, it's been proven time and time again, which is why people still pay dowsers to find things today & people still go to church today. Are these videos proof? No, but they will give you the idea of how many of us work. There are different kinds of people on the way we are built inside, just like there are different colors on all of us outside.

 

[vor]

Documented fact from mining companies or second hand info? Truth or urban legend?

It is easy to make statements but a whole lot harder to back them up.

What do you want receipts? lol.

I just want to see some proof that mining companies use dowsers before I believe it. That is all that I asked. Sorry, hokus pokus videos are not proof.

V

 

[aarthrj3811]

~vor~

I just want to see some proof that mining companies use dowsers before I believe it. That is all that I asked. Sorry, hokus pokus videos are not proof.

“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.”
~ Albert Einstein