Whats a Dowser?

[ClonedSIM]

Just for giggles, here's a shot of my land in 2007, before any construction had begun. At the time of this shot, there were absolutely no utilities on the land; the buildings in the center of the shot were and still are used only for storage. Electric was brought in via an overhead line leading to a utility pole on the land, and then the cable was buried from that point until it enters the house. A city water line has been run onto the property, as well as a septic system and leach field. Can you tell where the house or any of the utilities are from this photo? No fair trying to use Google Earth to match the location! :-)

It might be helpful to tell everyone that this land was used by a construction company for many years as a location to store sand and gravel, which explain some of the wear patterns you see. Like a lot of New Mexico, the land is pretty barren, with only a few small yuccas and cacti here and there. The rectangle in the lower right corner is a fenced-in area that was used for equipment storage. Good luck!

Oh, also, if you do happen to run across any gold or silver signals, I'll be more than happy to dig the crap out of the place to find them!

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Well..When I gave my classes to FAA students there was always one or two that could not do it..I know that most Dowsers have over 100 milvolts running between their hands...Art

Does the voltage jump from one hand to the other? Are there other dowsers here that agree with Art?

I'm really curious to see if there's a concensus among those that do dowse regarding how they dowse.

 

[Bigdogdad]

I am not a map dowser but I think you need to submit a current photo. You are asking someone to locate something in your old photo that is not there. Think about it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Does the voltage jump from one hand to the other?

No it does not

Are there other dowsers here that agree with Art?

Does not matter

I'm really curious to see if there's a concensus among those that do dowse regarding how they dowse.

Let see...We have physical dowsers and mental dowers here. We have one rod and two rod dowers here. We have people here that wear hats and some that only wear rubber shoes. Some will only dowse at a certain time of the day or phases of the moon. Some will only dowse when the solar storms are in the red...Some peoples rods will open and some peoples rods will both point to the target. Some rods will spin when on a target..Heck...we one guy who uses 9 rods to dowse with...Many more ways but the only thing that concensus is that we all can find and recover treasure.....Art

 

[Bigdogdad]

Instead of a refridgerator think Smartphone. Where does the information you can recieve on your smartphone come from? Some giant computer? No. It comes from a collective web of interconnected devices throughout the world. I believe when some one is "dowsing" they are tapping into the collective conciousness of information that exists all around and in us. It does not matter what device you use (rods, pendulums, forked sticks,etc). These act as a sort of antenna for you to receive the information you are asking for. It is a kind of sixth sense. Some have this sixth sense and there are some that have no sense at all. The stronger your belief in this the better it can work for you. You need to have an "open" mind to better recieve the information. You will have a hard time seeking an answer that does not exist. Same with your smartphone. As with everything some people will be better and there will be people that have no knack for it at all. Practice and experience will enhance your abilities.

I have found that one of the biggest obstacles I have is being able to fully concentrate and focus when I am trying to dowse. It is one of the keys to being successful. In today's world there are way too many disractions.

I myself am a basic amateur at this. I can use my rods to find simple things. I have proven it to myself and others. I met and was able to spend time with a dowser who had been at it for over 35 years when we met. I watched him do amazing things using only a pendulum. I spent years in the army as an engineer, jungle warfare expert. paratrooper and more. This old man was as accurate with his pendulum as I was with compass and maps. It is my fault that I have not found the treasures. I am now working with what I believe are some competent dowsers. It is up to me to find the gold and silver. That is my plan.

 

[aarthrj3811]

I myself am a basic amateur at this. I can use my rods to find simple things. I have proven it to myself and others. I met and was able to spend time with a dowser who had been at it for over 35 years when we met. I watched him do amazing things using only a pendulum. I spent years in the army as an engineer, jungle warfare expert. paratrooper and more. This old man was as accurate with his pendulum as I was with compass and maps. It is my fault that I have not found the treasures. I am now working with what I believe are some competent dowsers. It is up to me to find the gold and silver. That is my plan.

Hey Bigdogdad..That is correct. It is up to you..For myself I know what I can do...I get distracted very easy..If I see something I like I may spend the rest of my hunting trip doing something else..No big deal as long as I enjoy what I am doing...Art

 

[vor]

Ironically, or maybe not, Einstein spend most of his adult life not standing "rapt in awe," but instead trying to solve the mysteries of the world, trying to come up with explanations for those things that fascinated him.

So, are you only interested in using a quote from Einstein to help support your argument, or do you follow his example and try to solve the riddle of dowsing? That's the real mystery here. Why can't dowsers agree on how/why dowsing works, and why is there not more lively and spirited debate between the dowsers as to the truth?

Is it only the skeptics that aren't blinded by unquestioning belief?

Here's a quote for you; "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." - Albert Einstein

Ergo, dowsing must have an explanation, but what is that explanation??

With all of these Einstein quotes, I have yet to see one that references dowsing. Does one exist? If so, why wouldn't someone quote it? I believe most of what Einstein didn't understand after his theory of relativity is the fourth dimension of time, not dowsing.

V

 

[aarthrj3811]

~vor~
With all of these Einstein quotes, I have yet to see one that references dowsing. Does one exist? If so, why wouldn't someone quote it? I believe most of what Einstein didn't understand after his theory of relativity is the fourth dimension of time, not dowsing.

I think I will just use what I have already found out about Dowsing to locate and recover treasure...You can try to learn more if you want...Art

 

[vor]

I think I will just use what I have already found out about Dowsing to locate and recover treasure...You can try to learn more if you want...Art

Exactly. Einstein never made mention of the dowsing "phenomenon".

V

 

[aarthrj3811]

~V~
Exactly. Einstein never mad mention of the dowsing "phenomenon".

Einstein believed in dowsing!
"I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time." - Albert Einstein

 

[aarthrj3811]

Leonardo De Vinci
[url]http://www.tamar-dowsers.co.uk/articles/history.htm [/URL]
Robert Boyle (father of modern chemistry)
[url]http://www.tamar-dowsers.co.uk/articles/history.htm [/URL]
Charles Richet (Nobel prize winner)
[url]http://www.tamar-dowsers.co.uk/articles/history.htm [/URL]
General Rommel of the German Army
[url]http://www.tamar-dowsers.co.uk/articles/history.htm [/URL]
General Patten
[url]http://www.geocities.com/dowser.geo/dowse.html [/URL]
Vernon Cameron
[url]http://www.tamar-dowsers.co.uk/articles/history.htm [/URL]
Louis Matachia
[url]http://www.americaninsurancedepot.com/help/dowsing.htm [/URL]
"The New York Times reported that the U.S. Marine Corps used dowsing in Vietnam (Baldwin, 1967)"
[url]http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/comments/dowsing/[/URL]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/dowser.geo/dowse.html [/URL]
[url]http://www-sop.inria.fr/agos/sis/dowsing/dowsdean.html [/URL]
Evelyn Penrose
[url]http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Dowsing.htm [/URL]
I guess all these people were stupid

 

[okiedowser]

Skeptics wanted proof that dowsing work's,this post is up to# 91 now,i offer proof back in post # 54, the fighting go on. i will not mess with skeptics any longer, you missed your chance for proof, i'm a treasure hunter and have not got the time to be fighting over if dowsing work's are not, it work's for me and that what count's .

 

[oooldman]

I have been dowsing on and off for the last 25 years. Never looking for treasure, just trying to locate underground plumbing,electric,drain pipes and ect before using a backhoe or shovel to dig in unfamiliar areas. I have had people try to explain how and why this dowsing things works - and just as many trying to explain why it will not work. I know it will find where the ground has been disturbed even 100 years ago, case in point a old church with old cemetery had many gravestones lost or grown over with grass and or broken off and some that never had markers. I could walk in a strait line and the rods would cross when I crossed a marked grave, and as I continued it would also cross and uncross as I passed over unmarked graves. They wanted to find the graves so they could enlarge their parking lot without disturbing grave sites or covering them.
I have found that PVC, clay tile electric lines, plumbing and even the trenches of a leach bed and septic are easily discovered. I normally make my rods out of coat hangers or copper wire,sometimes brass. I have not experimented with stainless or other materials but i might in the near future try it also.
I do not have specific lengths but I would guess the L shape would be handles 5-6 inches and the longer side between 12-16 inches all depending on what is on hand. When I first started I thought I might influence the crossing of the wands by applying pressure to the "handles" and by not holding them level. To help eliminate as much pressure as possible I started using heavy walled straws (McDonalds) to let the wands move freely and without my squeezing them.
I carry a pocket full of pencils to mark where the rods cross each other, or get a helper to mark. I walk the area I want to check out. I then move about 5 feet to the side and dowse back the other direction and re-pete this process. Soon you will see a pattern develop. You can practice in the backyard by placing a PVC or garden hose on top of the grass and walking over it and watch the wands cross as you get above the item and uncross as you walk past it. I dont know how or why it works but it just works.

 

[Reed Lukens]

Does the voltage jump from one hand to the other? Are there other dowsers here that agree with Art?

Yea, I agree and then I have had the voltage or pins & needles feeling jump up strong in both my hands and also to a much higher degree and not always from one hand to the other. I think that many of us receive the same signals but a little differently for each person depending on his experience. They say women make better gold panners because they are more patient so I wonder if they would also make better dowsers?

 

[ClonedSIM]

No it does not

Does not matter


Let see...We have physical dowsers and mental dowers here. We have one rod and two rod dowers here. We have people here that wear hats and some that only wear rubber shoes. Some will only dowse at a certain time of the day or phases of the moon. Some will only dowse when the solar storms are in the red...Some peoples rods will open and some peoples rods will both point to the target. Some rods will spin when on a target..Heck...we one guy who uses 9 rods to dowse with...Many more ways but the only thing that concensus is that we all can find and recover treasure.....Art

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Aside from the fact that I would never want to see any of you dowsing while wearing only rubber shoes (no offense ) I find it hard to believe there isn't any kind of concensus or governing body or research being done into the claims of dowsing. Really, for me at least, whether it works or not isn't important. Even Enistein felt that dowsing is only a person's central nervous system reacting to something and, let's be honest, that's an extremely broad statement. The central nervous system responds to pretty much every stimulant in the world; heat, cold, fear, excitement, insecurity, nervousness, joy, etc. Essentially everything a person does in a day is a central nervous system response of some type or another. Even breathing is a central nervous response, albeit an unconscience one.

Really think about it. How many people in the world do things on a daily basis that have no explanation? Not many. Auto mechanics might work magic on a broken vehicle, but nothing they do dances into the realm of the unexplained. Physicists, scientists, engineers, doctors, surgeons, fast food workers, homemakers, on and on. You can talk with any of them, and they can tell you exactly what they do, and how they do it.

It's a little baffling to me that there aren't dowsers out there questioning what it is they're doing. Curiosity is a predominant human trait, but no dowser seems to care why they're doing what they're doing. What are the odds? Even if none of them care what's actually going on, you'd figure someone would be working on how to improve their hunting. But, how can you improve if you have no idea what needs improvement, since no one really knows what's happening in the first place?

 

[ClonedSIM]

I am not a map dowser but I think you need to submit a current photo. You are asking someone to locate something in your old photo that is not there. Think about it.

That does make sense, but I've read that at least some map dowsers get their signals from the earth itself, not the photo. If that's the case, then since the utilities are there right now, then the Earth is already generating those signals, right?

Oh, I don't know, this is why this whole subject is so frusturating. No one can agree on any set of facts, so everyone comes up with their own theories. Good thing this hasn't drifted into everyday life. Can you image a football game where everyone gets to make up their own game rules on the fly?

 

[fenixdigger]

Cloned; There are more than 1 type of energy's involved. Each dowser is different as is their method. you have to pick what is most accurate for you and then work to hone this. Now, if you are working on a map, how does this translate to field work? You have to work it out. Effects on the ground are not the same as on a map.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Cloned; There are more than 1 type of energy's involved. Each dowser is different as is their method. you have to pick what is most accurate for you and then work to hone this. Now, if you are working on a map, how does this translate to field work? You have to work it out. Effects on the ground are not the same as on a map.

Very true, but what would posting a current photo of my property accomplish? Since the areas that I've ditched to run the utilities are visible from above, it would defeat the purpose just a bit. If that's all it takes, than I'd be a pretty good map dowser too! Honestly, this is the same kind of thing I do when I'm out detecting, except I normally avoid areas that have been ditched and refilled as this might cause problems hitting my targets. But, I can still locate them. Does that mean anything?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~Cloned SIM~
Really think about it. How many people in the world do things on a daily basis that have no explanation? Not many.

I don’t know how many do that ..Do you?

Auto mechanics might work magic on a broken vehicle, but nothing they do dances into the realm of the unexplained. Physicists, scientists, engineers, doctors, surgeons, fast food workers, homemakers, on and on. You can talk with any of them, and they can tell you exactly what they do, and how they do it.

It's a little baffling to me that there aren't dowsers out there questioning what it is they're doing. Curiosity is a predominant human trait, but no dowser seems to care why they're doing what they're doing. What are the odds?

I have ask what the odds are...All the odds come out in reference to coin tosses

Even if none of them care what's actually going on, you'd figure someone would be working on how to improve their hunting.
We all do that
But, how can you improve if you have no idea what needs improvement, since no one really knows what's happening in the first place?

You experiment until you know what the rods are telling you...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

I don’t know how many do that ..Do you?

I have ask what the odds are...All the odds come out in reference to coin tosses

You experiment until you know what the rods are telling you...Art

I wasn't trying to get a specific answer, Art, I was just making a point. There can't be many people on this Earth that wake up in the morning, walk out their front door and then do something that no one can explain or that no one, including the individual performing this feat, understands. Why aren't dowsers more concerned about this? I know that I would be.

And I wasn't asking you for the odds, it was a rhetorical question. Odds don't exist for that kind of thing, but my original question still stands, why aren't dowsers more concerned that no one, including themselves, have any clue what they're doing or why it works? I know what the standard answers are going to be, "It doesn't matter to me," "As long as I find gold, why should I care?" etc.

Here's why.

With all of the assumptions flying around why dowsing is supposed to work, has anyone stopped to consider that what you're doing might be unhealthy? I'm not saying that it definitely is, but Marie Curie didn't think she any problems until she started to develop radiation sickness. Alfred Nobel didn't have any qualms about inventing TNT until he saw it's destructive power. Oppenheimer wasn't thrilled with his final result when he and the Manhattan Project finished up with the atom bomb.

My point is that you may or may not be dealing with powers beyond your control, and wouldn't it make sense to figure out what is actually happening before one of you swings his rods the wrong way and blinks into an alternate universe?

That last part is a half-joke, before anyone jumps on me. :-)