Its much easier to say 'no metal detecting' than have to deal with any issue/situation....
It depends on what you think constitutes a "prohibition". If there is a true rule that came into play somewhere, you're welcome to form solidarities and fight to get it repealed. But my hunch is, that any such "further red flags and attention", will probably only FURTHER entrench their stance. But you're welcome to try..... no one saying what we can do about it......
.... sooner or later the don't ask if no indication is given restricting, is gonna run out.
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..... a park ranger can NOT make up the rules....
Reading what you are saying and I do understand your views. Unless it's is private property, I am not one to go looking for someone to ask, if there is nothing stating no-go.It depends on what you think constitutes a "prohibition". If there is a true rule that came into play somewhere, you're welcome to form solidarities and fight to get it repealed. But my hunch is, that any such "further red flags and attention", will probably only FURTHER entrench their stance. But you're welcome to try.
But if by "prohibition" you meant anyone (or yourself) getting a "scram", just based on ancillary "deface" or "alter" verbage, then no, I don't consider those instances to be "prohibitions". Other than the immediate lip-service on the spot-type-thing, of course.
to whatever extent this is true, the more sure-fire-faster way to get "prohibitions", is to go making ourselves an object in need of their princely attention. To run around "seeking clarification" and "permissions" is the faster way to make things "run out" for us.
They can't "make up rules", but they can interpret/implement rules as needed-to-fit situations as-they-arise. Why do you think there are vague rules that forbid "annoyances" ? So too can a ranger decide that our actions constitute "disturb" statutes. So that's not "making up" a rule, is it ? However, the mere fact that a ranger may have that latitude, does not mean I'm going to go asking ahead of time (lest it merely become a self-fulfilling safe "yes").
Skippy, good post. "Perception" is one way to put it. And "connotations" is another. Such that EVEN if you leave absolutely no trace, and EVEN though no one really cares about that buffalo nickel underground, and EVEN though you wont' waltz over beach blankets and kick sand in peoples faces, yet ..... how does the busy-body observer know that ? In the administrator's view of things, they may think "gee do we really want all these yahoos out here making a mess?" (even though you may leave ABSOLUTELY NO MESS).
Thus yes: Actual outcome is most often NOT the reason for bans. It's often only "mental images" "connotations", and "perceptions".
And the best way to STOP those perceptions from coming their minds, is to stay off their radar, such that they think as little about you, as possible. If that means hunting at night, or before 8am, and so forth, so-be-it.
Kind of like nose-picking: not necessarily illegal, but .... sheeesk, don't we ALL sort of of ... uhh... pick discreet times to do it, so as not to offend people ? Same concept for md'ing. If someone might not like it, then for pete's sake, don't air your dirty laundry in front of that particular person.
...... Don't you think that's gonna run its course.....
...... Don't you think that's gonna run its course.....
Contributors to the negative side of MDing...
>The ones that MD on school property during school hours or when after school activities are going on.
>MDing in public sports parks while events are taking place
>Carrying a large shovel anyplace in public/populated areas
>Detecting curb strips and not using common sense, if well kept the homeowner has pride in it...Don't argue with objecting homeowners to the point they call the police or their councilman.
>Digging holes on public beaches and not filling them...sure kids do it, but why make yourself a target for expulsion. We are few, they are many
>Beach detecting when the beaches are packed. Beach goers/tourist are the majority and what the chamber of commerce want ... not you!
.....Most of these are corrected by just using common sense, unfortunately not all MDers posses this. SS
Could not have said it better.
Agreed.
"out of sight... out of mind".
I am an AMr... done and gone by 9ish...to 10 max... if a weekday and no one really around... then its the latter...
and if I am not gone by this time... detector is off and I am either sitting back enjoying the morning salt air... thinking... OR
I am swimming... even just walking around.
There ARE more things to do than detect... LIKE... nothing
And that person is "usually" not a park ranger or park employee. Do I think we are given a bad rep for our hobby, no. But most of the people (i believe) who find our hobby interesting are not the ones causing us access troubles.It's apparent that your mental image of my stance is that
I have people come up to me all the time with "what's the best thing you've ever found?" and "where can I buy one of those?", etc.... So it's not exactly a "given" that md'rs are "always gonna be told scram".
.... As for public, if there's no sign and I know of no rules against, I go for it, but always looking over my shoulder for that one person who will have a hard time due to me using my public land.
Some people will call that "sneaking around". Ok, fine then, sneak around.
Contributors to the negative side of MDing...
>The ones that MD on school property during school hours or when after school activities are going on.
>MDing in public sports parks while events are taking place
>Carrying a large shovel anyplace in public/populated areas
>Detecting curb strips and not using common sense, if well kept the homeowner has pride in it...Don't argue with objecting homeowners to the point they call the police or their councilman.
>Digging holes on public beaches and not filling them...sure kids do it, but why make yourself a target for expulsion. We are few, they are many
>Beach detecting when the beaches are packed. Beach goers/tourist are the majority and what the chamber of commerce want ... not you!
.....Most of these are corrected by just using common sense, unfortunately not all MDers posses this. SS