1829 Andrew Jackson Button Need Info ?

[Mike in Berks]

I dug up this button back in April of this year. I thought is was just a plain flat button
and stuck it in my shirt pocket and kept searching. When i was done curiosity got to me
an i made the mistake of rinsing it with water and rubbing it . And thats when i seen the
gilt on the back. As soon as i got home i used aluminum jelly and realized i rubbed a
lot of the gilt off earlier
Well, i looked in Alberts Button Book and there it was .... 20mm wide PC 81 RV250
Front - plain Back reads - Andrew Jackson March 4AD 1829
What i'd like to know is .....

1. What does RV250 mean ?
2. Is it a rare button and if so .... how rare ?
3. In this poor condition is it worth anything ?

plain front

back


can someone educate me on this Mike

 

[jeff of pa]

Cool Button, I'm sure Someone can Help.

 

[Don in SJ]

Relative Value is explained in the front area of Albert's book. Basically it was the relative value of the item at the time he published the book more or less. So he is saying that in the mid 70s, the Andrew Jackson buttons of that type were worth about 250 but for undug specimen in great shape I am sure.

You can use the RV value as a rarity indicator, and that is rather high for a button RV value in his book. But, with the condition of your button, and after seeing a PC-82 in better condition than yours being offered for sale at the fixed price of $10, I would sadly say that the value is not too high on your button because of condition, but I think $10 for the PC 82 I saw is way too low of a price.........You would think at least 50 for any identifiable one, but you would have to check on previous sales to get a better idea.

Remember, it is worth what someone will pay, so if someone needs to fill a hole in their collection it might go for more than expected, I would be happy to just have one in my collection (I do, another variety though).................

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

 

[BuckleBoy]

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

Absolutely.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html



Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

 

[PBK]

Hake's most recent political buttons price guide supplement lists this Jackson backmark variety at $350. However, the intro states, "All suggested values are for items in excellent condition with no significant damage."

Interestingly, Sullivan reported that some of the plain-faced Jackson buttons remaining in the manufacturer's inventory were later restruck with the Virginia state seal on the front, for use by the Virginia Militia.

 

[Mike in Berks]

Relative Value is explained in the front area of Albert's book. Basically it was the relative value of the item at the time he published the book more or less. So he is saying that in the mid 70s, the Andrew Jackson buttons of that type were worth about 250 but for undug specimen in great shape I am sure.

You can use the RV value as a rarity indicator, and that is rather high for a button RV value in his book. But, with the condition of your button, and after seeing a PC-82 in better condition than yours being offered for sale at the fixed price of $10, I would sadly say that the value is not too high on your button because of condition, but I think $10 for the PC 82 I saw is way too low of a price.........You would think at least 50 for any identifiable one, but you would have to check on previous sales to get a better idea.

Remember, it is worth what someone will pay, so if someone needs to fill a hole in their collection it might go for more than expected, I would be happy to just have one in my collection (I do, another variety though).................

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

Don, i guess i never took the time to read the front of the book.... i only looked for the buttons
After i posted yesterday i was searching the web and came across a post from T Net on June 10,
2007 by cryptodave which explained it pretty much to me and i saw your button congrats
sometimes i do things a little @ss backwards
I have no plans on selling it Just knowing the history of it and looking at it in the display case
makes me very happy ya just never know what the next beep will be
I always look forward to reading your posts and admiring your awesome finds and from what i
read your kind of weather is here thanks for the reply and good luck to you on your future digs !! Mike

 

[Mike in Berks]

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

Absolutely.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html



Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

BuckleBoy i've read that post numerous times and because of you i was able to bring out
the beauty of quite a few buttons i've found this button really put me to the test !!
after days of searching the area this is the only relic i found only 2" deep i thought it was a cheap
modern button then the water and finger rubbing i did'nt expect to see any gilt by then it was
too late if it wasn't for your post on buttons i would'nt even know about aluminum jelly
if i would've used a toothpick on the back the gilt would've been gone i'm glad i used a soft
paint brush most gilt buttons i've seen are either raised letters or lower than the flat back
this gilt is so thin and fragile i can't imagine how it was applied oh well it is was it is and i'm
happy i saved it thanks for the reply an good luck to you and the Iron Brigade in your
future hunts Mike

 

[Don in SJ]

Hake's most recent political buttons price guide supplement lists this Jackson backmark variety at $350. However, the intro states, "All suggested values are for items in excellent condition with no significant damage."

Interestingly, Sullivan reported that some of the plain-faced Jackson buttons remaining in the manufacturer's inventory were later restruck with the Virginia state seal on the front, for use by the Virginia Militia.

PBK, I would assume the buttons struck with the Virginia seal might be a tad more collectible ($)? (if listed)

 

[Mike in Berks]

Hake's most recent political buttons price guide supplement lists this Jackson backmark variety at $350. However, the intro states, "All suggested values are for items in excellent condition with no significant damage."

Interestingly, Sullivan reported that some of the plain-faced Jackson buttons remaining in the manufacturer's inventory were later restruck with the Virginia state seal on the front, for use by the Virginia Militia.

iI really apreciate the info PBK i wonder if any were ever found/dug with the virginia seal
i imagine they would be worth big $ bucks $ even in dug condition ?

 

[Woodland Detectors]

When i was done curiosity got to me
an i made the mistake of rinsing it with water and rubbing it .


Well, Look at it this way. It could have fallen out of your pocket and found by another detectorist!

Just saying

 

[Mike in Berks]

When i was done curiosity got to me
an i made the mistake of rinsing it with water and rubbing it .


Well, Look at it this way. It could have fallen out of your pocket and found by another detectorist!

Just saying

You're absolutly right 4-H but, as far as i know i'm the only one searching there and at this
time it's in the process of being developed meaning .... it never would have been found again ?
i really enjoy your post and finds good luck to you Mike

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

Nice going on the button. Even in that condition you should be thrilled to have it as part of your collection. Personally, unless I found something worth a very large sum of money, I would never even consider selling any of my finds.

Digging one of those early political buttons is very high on my detecting want list.

Congrats!
Neil

 

[dneyedli@res1.mts.net]

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

Absolutely.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html



Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

BuckleBoy i've read that post numerous times and because of you i was able to bring out
the beauty of quite a few buttons i've found this button really put me to the test !!
after days of searching the area this is the only relic i found only 2" deep i thought it was a cheap
modern button then the water and finger rubbing i did'nt expect to see any gilt by then it was
too late if it wasn't for your post on buttons i would'nt even know about aluminum jelly
if i would've used a toothpick on the back the gilt would've been gone i'm glad i used a soft
paint brush most gilt buttons i've seen are either raised letters or lower than the flat back
this gilt is so thin and fragile i can't imagine how it was applied oh well it is was it is and i'm
happy i saved it thanks for the reply an good luck to you and the Iron Brigade in your
future hunts Mike

I agree, BB's thread is a real gem.


As for your button, I would be proud to own such an important piece of American history.
WTG,
Dave.

 

[BuckleBoy]

BuckleBoy i've read that post numerous times and because of you i was able to bring out
the beauty of quite a few buttons i've found this button really put me to the test !!
after days of searching the area this is the only relic i found only 2" deep i thought it was a cheap
modern button then the water and finger rubbing i did'nt expect to see any gilt by then it was
too late if it wasn't for your post on buttons i would'nt even know about aluminum jelly
if i would've used a toothpick on the back the gilt would've been gone i'm glad i used a soft
paint brush most gilt buttons i've seen are either raised letters or lower than the flat back
this gilt is so thin and fragile i can't imagine how it was applied oh well it is was it is and i'm
happy i saved it thanks for the reply an good luck to you and the Iron Brigade in your
future hunts Mike

Mike,


Thank you for the kind words. They certainly do mean a great deal to me.


They are finally starting to cut the fields here, and we are gearing up for what will hopefully be a great Fall.


Best Wishes,



Buckles

 

[Mike in Berks]

Nice going on the button. Even in that condition you should be thrilled to have it as part of your collection. Personally, unless I found something worth a very large sum of money, I would never even consider selling any of my finds.

Digging one of those early political buttons is very high on my detecting want list.

Congrats!
Neil

Thanks Neil once i knew what i had i was very thrilled probably just as much as you
were when you found the button in your avatar and i feel the same way as
you with my finds i'm sure one day you'll be holding a political button in your hands too
i'm sending some luck your way Mike

 

[Mike in Berks]

Again, your post emphasizes the importance of cleaning all plain flat faced buttons, since there are quite a few that do have historical importance on the backside...........

Don

Absolutely.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html



Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

BuckleBoy i've read that post numerous times and because of you i was able to bring out
the beauty of quite a few buttons i've found this button really put me to the test !!
after days of searching the area this is the only relic i found only 2" deep i thought it was a cheap
modern button then the water and finger rubbing i did'nt expect to see any gilt by then it was
too late if it wasn't for your post on buttons i would'nt even know about aluminum jelly
if i would've used a toothpick on the back the gilt would've been gone i'm glad i used a soft
paint brush most gilt buttons i've seen are either raised letters or lower than the flat back
this gilt is so thin and fragile i can't imagine how it was applied oh well it is was it is and i'm
happy i saved it thanks for the reply an good luck to you and the Iron Brigade in your
future hunts Mike

I agree, BB's thread is a real gem.


As for your button, I would be proud to own such an important piece of American history.
WTG,
Dave.

Thanks much Dave i see your digging up a whole different type of history awesome

Mike

 

[Iron Patch]

Dollar value would just be a bonus. I have $100 buttons I wouldn't sell for $1,000. Unless maybe you made them all a grand!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Is this solved? Dont forget the green check. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,259097.0.html

 

[Mike in Berks]

Dollar value would just be a bonus. I have $100 buttons I wouldn't sell for $1,000. Unless maybe you made them all a grand!

Iron Patch i've seen the military etc. buttons you've posted They sure looked liked
$1,000 buttons to me outstanding an i know you'll be digging many
more Mike

 

[Iron Patch]

Dollar value would just be a bonus. I have $100 buttons I wouldn't sell for $1,000. Unless maybe you made them all a grand!

Iron Patch i've seen the military etc. buttons you've posted They sure looked liked
$1,000 buttons to me outstanding an i know you'll be digging many
more Mike

Well a few probably are. (They definitely used to be, well over in fact)