Age? Need i.D on these please i think theyre old old stone tools

[grobb28]

 

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[JustPlainStrange]

Did prehistoric people heat alter they're tools

Yes, they did. However, not all of them did (intentionally anyways). Intentional heat-altered of cherts seems to have started in the middle archaic time period.

 

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[GatorBoy]

I will just take my mother's advice.

 

[grobb28]

Grobb28 - at least one of the pieces appears to be Florence "A", are these by any chance from Northern Oklahoma or Southern Kansas?

Exactly there ... 10 miles from Kansas border found them in oklahoma

 

[NC field hunter]

It's just like mine lol!! Pretty much with the angle of the break on the notch where did u find yours ?? And yours looks very old like mine

I'm in NC. The post above about the blade being broken, so it was reworked into a spokeshave makes sense and may be true. If that is the case, the angle is added in the reworking process. Geez, I wish I could find my others like this. They are in one of my baskets around here.

 

[JustPlainStrange]

Exactly there ... 10 miles from Kansas border found them in oklahoma

As I suspected. The mottled material "knife" is made of Florence (variety "A"), the heat altered tip in question is made of a permian chert.

 

[old digger]

Offering an opinion is one thing... learning forum etiquette is another. Here are Eden and Scottsbluff points. I'd have to say you are my favorite in this forum right now. I could take you to the place it was pulled from the ground by the way.

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I'm not contesting you Gator, but when you look down the point from the point of an Eden point, it has the diamond shaped characteristic to it. The middle looks similar to a Midland point. You have some very nice points there.

 

[grobb28]

I'm in NC. The post above about the blade being broken, so it was reworked into a spokeshave makes sense and may be true. If that is the case, the angle is added in the reworking process. Geez, I wish I could find my others like this. They are in one of my baskets around here.

What is a spokeshave ? It's purpose

 

[old digger]

What is a spokeshave ? It's purpose

Shaving and cleaning the bark off in making an arrow shaft.

 

[grobb28]

Shaving and cleaning the bark off in making an arrow shaft.

Did prehistoric people use arrows ? I thought they mainly used stone

 

[NC field hunter]

Shaving and cleaning the bark off in making an arrow shaft.

Ding ding ding!!!!! We have a winner! Thanks digger.

 

[old digger]

Did prehistoric people use arrows ? I thought they mainly used stone

They normally put a lot of effort in making the arrow shaft as smooth and straight as is done nowadays in modern archery. It was and is important to ensure a quick and clean kill.

 

[grobb28]

They normally put a lot of effort in making the arrow shaft as smooth and straight as is done nowadays in modern archery. It was and is important to ensure a quick and clean kill.

What's your opinion as to what this Is. ??

 

[old digger]

Here are a pair of spokeshaves that are made out of the same material.

 

[old digger]

I would say it is a flake knife.

 

[GatorBoy]

No gator, the information is correct for all of the Cody complex pieces. None of them are made from intentionally heat-altered chert and they are all made from collateral, parallel flaking (even Firstview). Eden have an even more prominent median-ridge than scottsbluff (they are typically diamond-shaped in cross section). Art Gumbus (lithics.net) is mistaken about random flaking.

For what it's worth, none of the latest 3 points that you posted appear to be Eden. The top one is Scottsbluff, the middle one is debatable (it appears to be more of a Holland form), and the last one is Scottsbluff.

If you took the time to read the page I provided you would have not only seen the points I posted but also where Perino and Wormington were quoted by art Gumbus when the description of the Random flaked sub type (TYPE II) was given.(TYPE I) is the one to which you are referring to as the ONLY type. It also describes very clearly the lack of a diamond shaped cross section..a random flake pattern and a wider more triangular blade in (TYPE II) I'm not an archaeologist as I'm guessing you are mostly because I've spent time speaking to many and conversationally you remind me of many I have met... ..nor do I belive there is one out there that already learnded it all.
I learned a long time ago never to use the words ALL.. NONE...ONLY.. or ALWAYS when being factual.
www.lithicsnet.com/scottsbluff.htm

 

[grobb28]

If you took the time to read the page I provided you would have not only seen the points I posted but also where Perino was quoted by art Gumbus when the description of the Random flaked sub type (TYPE II) was given.(TYPE I) is the one to which you are referring to as the ONLY type. It also describes very clearly the lack of a diamond shaped cross section in (TYPE II) I'm not an archaeologist like yourself ..nor do I belive there is one out there that already learnded it all.
I learned a long time ago never to use the words ALL.. NONE...ONLY.. or ALWAYS when being factual.

Would you guys like to see photos of the Rock shelter where I found all this. ?? I think I'm goin later I will take pictures

 

[grobb28]

I would say it is a flake knife.

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What exactly is a flake knife ??

 

[GatorBoy]

What exactly is a flake knife ??

Its a flake of stone that was used as a knife. In most cases showing some work on what was used as the blade edge.

 

[grobb28]

Its a flake of stone that was used as a knife. In most cases showing some work on what was used as the blade edge.

Does this look like flake knife?? I thought it was some type if scraper it's a very pretty piece in my opinion

 

[GatorBoy]

That's a feasible description. Most rock shelters were used seasonally for short durations at a time. They can be filled with crude quickly made tools that probably served more than one function... a good shelter would have been used over and over again by generations of people. Simply digging a small fire pit could easily introduce artifacts of a previous culture into a more recent layer of soil... In my eyes There's no way of knowing That tip Was ever intentionally Fire treated.
As far as the photos Of the shelter... That would be great Just make sure If using a device with GPS It is turned off.