Ancient coin found in New York

[Bramblefind]

My brother found this coin about a week or so ago along some train tracks in upstate NY. I have seen a 1750s George II and an 1820's George IV coin he has pulled from the same general area.

He said this coin cleaned very easily and was at the same depth as the George coins.

It is about 25-26 mm and 10g. I haven't tried to google it yet - does anyone recognize it?

 

[lazooro]

Where is Crusader?

Why we know it's Roman, it's just the question of fake or real, no way of telling from a picture

SS

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

 

[alpha105]

Here we go again with the Ancient coins in America

When king soloman was collecting all the copper, he came over and all the way through to Wisconsin, setting up mines along the way. This is confirmed by the now underwater pyramids found in some wisconsin lakes. Errrrr......

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

Hello LaZoOro. Can you explain to me why the lettering looks funny? Are these cast or stamped?

 

[Iron Patch]

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

Hello LaZoOro. Can you explain to me why the lettering looks funny? Are these cast or stamped?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by funny, but if that translates to different, the answer is the dies were hand cut/carved and there was MANY, so it's expected the coins will not always match. It probably just comes down to how skilled the person was making them.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

Hello LaZoOro. Can you explain to me why the lettering looks funny? Are these cast or stamped?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by funny, but if that translates to different, the answer is the dies were hand cut/carved and there was MANY, so it's expected the coins will not always match. It probably just comes down to how skilled the person was making them.

By funny I mean that they are not clear and precise. Yes different, almost unreadable. Reminds me of the replicas that are jibberish. I think I could carve out better letters.

OK thanks for the explanation. Another thought I had is that it was caused from dirt in the die or age and corrosion. Was this coin cleaned Bramblefind?

 

[Iron Patch]

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

Hello LaZoOro. Can you explain to me why the lettering looks funny? Are these cast or stamped?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by funny, but if that translates to different, the answer is the dies were hand cut/carved and there was MANY, so it's expected the coins will not always match. It probably just comes down to how skilled the person was making them.

By funny I mean that they are not clear and precise. Yes different, almost unreadable. Reminds me of like the replicas that are jibberish.

OK thanks for the explanation.

The reason they make reproductions like that is because of the coin posted above. Cruder probably appears older to most, and in some cases it is.

 

[Bramblefind]

Was this coin cleaned Bramblefind?

I just sent my brother the link to this thread and asked him for any additional info he could provide. When he loaned it to me to post here he just said he only cleaned it a little and was surprised at how nicely it cleaned and was even a little excited at first that it might be gold since he had never had another coin come out like this.

fwiw - here are the two other coins he let me see from the same area. This was after he cleaned them - so you can see he doesn't clean harshly. I later cleaned them some more for him and was able to get more detail. I think the area he found all these coins at must have been some sort of old trail before the trains came through. I plan on researching it more.

 

[Iron Patch]

Was this coin cleaned Bramblefind?

I just sent my brother the link to this thread and asked him for any additional info he could provide. When he loaned it to me to post here he just said he only cleaned it a little and was surprised at how nicely it cleaned and was even a little excited at first that it might be gold since he had never had another coin come out like this.

fwiw - here are the two other coins he let me see from the same area. This was after he cleaned them - so you can see he doesn't clean harshly. I later cleaned them some more for him and was able to get more detail. I think the area he found all these coins at must have been some sort of old trail before the trains came through. I plan on researching it more.

Those were definitely in the ground a while and what is expected. Had the Ancient coin been a stunning George III halfpenny we might have to do a little more thinking, but since an ancient coin doesn't fit, and the condition doesn't fit, you know there's more to the story. (as in lost recently)

Having said that, you should research to see what metal, and how similar dug examples look. But seeing the halfpennies condition I wouldn't expect the ancient to be that color tone and 100% free of corrosion.

 

[Silver Searcher]

way way!
coin is 200% Roman and original!

Hello LaZoOro. Can you explain to me why the lettering looks funny? Are these cast or stamped?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by funny, but if that translates to different, the answer is the dies were hand cut/carved and there was MANY, so it's expected the coins will not always match. It probably just comes down to how skilled the person was making them.

By funny I mean that they are not clear and precise. Yes different, almost unreadable. Reminds me of the replicas that are jibberish. I think I could carve out better letters.

OK thanks for the explanation. Another thought I had is that it was caused from dirt in the die or age and corrosion. Was this coin cleaned Bramblefind?

The coin has either been tumbled or cleaned by electrolisis, I'm not saying this was done by the finder, but at some stage it's been through one of these methods

SS

 

[Silver Searcher]

Where is Crusader?

Why we know it's Roman, it's just the question of fake or real, no way of telling from a picture

SS

I realize how you feel about pictures SS but Crusader can (usually) judge (real or fake) pretty good from picture alone. I would like to hear his opinion because I dont know.

Crusader can make a guess, from a picture like every one else can, if they want, doesn't mean to say it's the right call

SS

 

[Bramblefind]

Ok I just talked to my brother while he read this thread and all I can add is that the area he found it is wooded but had been well traveled and used by kids and teens for many years - it is on the way to a swimming hole.

He said there was some green patina on it when he found it but it washed off very easily. The soil he found it in is VERY sandy.

We'll probably never know how it came to be - But thanks for all the responses

 

[CRUSADER]

Obv:
IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG

Rev:
GENIO POPVLI ROMANI

Real(ly) Cleaned.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Just to say on a last note, as this has been green checked...it's without doubt the worst Obverse image I have seen of Diocletian

SS

 

[Bumpstick]

The design on the coin I have is raised - trying to get more pics -

I like the old coin finds. It looks pretty well worn so it could have been in use for over 50 years.
When they come out of the ground looking good you scratch your head. What is It. Is it bronze
or something. Coin collectors always saved the best examples.
Keep posting your oldies and oddities.

 

[lisfisher]

You never know where ancient coins may pop up. When I was a kid, my parents ordered a tri-axle full of beach gravel for the driveway. The next day my mother found an ancient coin in the gravel, ended up being genuine and was from around 225 bc

Egyptian Ptolemaic Kingdom 25-26 under Ptolemy IV 221-224 BC Head of Isis

 

[Duke]

We all have to remember that counterfeiting isn't a new idea it could be five hundred year old fake which is still cool