Another SC seal button & a bunch of ?????

ModernMiner · Mar 29, 2008

Another SC seal button & a bunch of ??

Not too great of a day today, but I found another SC seal button, though not in great shape. I was short on time today (I slept in), so I hit the 1830 CW house that I was hunting earlier in the year, because it is closer to home. As soon as I got there it started to rain, and continued during my whole hunt. :'(

Cold & windy too. :tongue3:

I think you guys up in Ohio sent this weather down here. :icon_scratch:

I could use some help on IDing a few things, so if you want to take a stab at it, I would greatly appreciate it. :thumbsup:

My finds:
*South Carolina state seal button (23mm) - Albert's book #SC 13.
Back mark- "Schuyler. H & G - New York"

(Nick- I was hoping this was an eagle button when I dug it. :'(

)

*21mm flat button with "Gilt" back mark.

*Scabbard tip

? Maybe? I have no idea. :icon_scratch:

*Lobster claw looking copper piece.
Any ideas?

*A heavy lead alloy piece with iron loop attached. Looks like a plumb bob?
Any idea?

*Copper hollow bead (?) with a cross design & solder mark on one end.
Any idea?

*"M. W. & Co." padlock keyhole cover

* A small square coin weight (circa 1600-1850's) representing 4 pennyweight by the 4 dots on it. It has a tiny animal (horse?) design on it.
I've found these before at old properties, but never with a design on them.
Here's an informative link:
http://www.ourpasthistory.com/metal/trade-weights

*Asst'd: pocketknife, razor handle, spoon handle w/flower design, lead pieces.

Thanks for looking & any help,
MM

muleskinner · Mar 29, 2008

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MM I would love to have a day like yours. Most of your stuff I have no idea what it is, except it's all cool stuff. I'm real curious about the cylinderical brass thing.
Keep em coming, you're on a run. You must have a whole bucket of whatcha callits.

silverfreak · Mar 29, 2008

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Great stuff MM. Your posts make me itch to go relic huntin'.....and I've never relic hunted before.

Mirage · Mar 29, 2008

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Doug,
You taking after those old timers and sleeping in?! :wink:

Yeah, we sent down that good old Frozen Lake Erie breeze for you today. Nate and I were at the Cleveland State Orientation and we drove by the lake. One of the Great Lakes - Lake Erie. Ice as far as the eye could see. :sad1:

The wind was blowing hard off the lake so you know what temperature it was here? Yep, a sweet 0 C ! Ugh. It was cold. But us die hards toughed it out for a couple hours after the orientation. 8) We made some respectable finds..... will post tomorrow.

As for your finds - not that bad. Some nice buttons and relics.

Keep at it. That LC is just one hunt away!

Bob

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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O.K. Folks. The Mighty PBK did it again!!! Robfinds also was able to ID it. Thanks guys!
They have ID'd the little square piece with the animal on it as an old weight. I think mine with the four dots represents 4 pennyweight.
I suggest that a lot of you relic hunters (and others interested in learning) take a look at this VERY interesting web site link that PBK found.It has questions, answers, history, and pictures of various weights through the ages. A great read. You will see my style of weight about 3/4th down the page on that link.
I personally have found four or five of these weights now, but never knew what they were until now. I have to go look to see if I even kept my others now. :icon_scratch:

Have any of you others ever found any of these?
Here's the link:
http://www.ourpasthistory.com/metal/trade-weights
Thanks for looking,
MM

Don in SJ · Mar 30, 2008

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Doug, the trade weights and apothecary weight info has been posted before I think. Here is a webiste that is also useful for IDing British Artifacts, and this section is for weights found in England.

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/C/coinweights.htm (weights)

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/F/findsindex.htm (all finds)

I found a Apothecary weight a couple years ago.

Your triangle lock is possibly the oldest artifact you found, I cannot tell from the photo but it is somewhat similar to the oldest lock I have found. (1600's) I cannot find a photo of mine right now, nor the website, but will post it when found.

Don

Gribnitz · Mar 30, 2008

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LOL Miner, I would trade you an eagle button any day for that SC button ! You got another nice one !

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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tymcmurray said:
Alright! Alright!You can stop with the "Not too great of a day today"
crap. The day I have half the day you do, you'll have to peel my
redneck butt off the ceiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!
Great finds, AGAIN!

LMAO!!! Hilarious Ty.

I feel a lot better about the hunt now after the great replies and the ID's about the old square trade weight and old lock. I had no idea.

-MM-

watercolor said:
Miner, you always find the coolest, most challenging things to I.D.
(Maybe I'll find a three-ringer when I visit my daughter in SC this summer)
Take care & HH!

Thanks WC. Good luck on the 3-ringer. If you're going to SC, there will be plenty there for you. :thumbsup:

-MM-

muleskinner said:
MM I would love to have a day like yours. Most of your stuff I have no idea what it is, except it's all cool stuff. I'm real curious about the cylinderical brass thing.
Keep em coming, you're on a run. You must have a whole bucket of whatcha callits.

Thanks Muleskinner.
My buckets are full of whatcha callits. I've moved up to a 55 gallon drum now. :wink:

-MM-

Mirage said:
Doug,
You taking after those old timers and sleeping in?!

Yeah, we sent down that good old Frozen Lake Erie breeze for you today. Nate and I were at the Cleveland State Orientation and we drove by the lake. One of the Great Lakes - Lake Erie. Ice as far as the eye could see. The wind was blowing hard off the lake so you know what temperature it was here? Yep, a sweet 0 C ! Ugh. It was cold. But us die hards toughed it out for a couple hours after the orientation. 8) We made some respectable finds..... will post tomorrow.
As for your finds - not that bad. Some nice buttons and relics. Keep at it. That LC is just one hunt away!
Bob

Thanks Bob. Yeah, I slept like a dog today too. Cold & rainy, so why get up.

Looking forward to seeing your finds. Any reales? :wink:

-Doug-

Gribnitz said:
LOL Miner, I would trade you an eagle button any day for that SC button ! You got another nice one !

Thanks Grib. I just need the eagle button to beat Nick on a friendly bet we made. Of course when I need one, I'll never find one. :P
-MM-

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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Don in SJ said:
Doug, the trade weights and apothecary weight info has been posted before I think. Here is a webiste that is also useful for IDing British Artifacts, and this section is for weights found in England.

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/C/coinweights.htm (weights)

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/F/findsindex.htm (all finds)

I found a Apothecary weight a couple years ago.

Your triangle lock is possibly the oldest artifact you found, I cannot tell from the photo but it is somewhat similar to the oldest lock I have found. (1600's) I cannot find a photo of mine right now, nor the website, but will post it when found

Don

Don,
Thanks so much for the info on the weights & lock, and providing those two links. Now I know where Crusader gets his ID info from.

(just kidding Crusader) .

I bookmarked that site for future finds.
As far as the lock, I would have never guessed. I almost chucked it into the weeds.

That is so cool knowing what it is and especially how old it could be. This is the same property that I found that counterfeit piece of eight at. Looks like the finds are dating back way further than that 1830's house. :thumbsup:

That's great news for me. I hadn't hit that property in about two months since I've been MDing a plantation house recently. A lot of new signals are popping up for me again as you can see. Maybe there's a reale or LC left there? :icon_scratch:

If you get time, please post the pictures of the one you found. Here's a few more shots of mine.
Thanks again,
Doug

Don in SJ · Mar 30, 2008

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Your new photos now have me wondering if it is a lock? :icon_scratch:

Don

Natman · Mar 30, 2008

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Nice buch o' relics Doug, those buttons are great! I never knew there were so many kinds of buttons until I started reading about them on posts like this..they have their own history and it seems like they're as much fun to find as finding old coins.

Seeing the one you found in a book is so cool..I had no idea so many varieties could be dated similar to other types of artifacts.

WTG and keep up the good work!

Nat

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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Natman said:
Nice buch o' relics Doug, those buttons are great! I never knew there were so many kinds of buttons until I started reading about them on posts like this..they have their own history and it seems like they're as much fun to find as finding old coins.

Seeing the one you found in a book is so cool..I had no idea so many varieties could be dated similar to other types of artifacts.
WTG and keep up the good work!
Nat

Thanks Nat. I have really taken an interest in these old buttons, and have purchased three button books so far. A lot of history with them. I have a pretty nice button collection going in short time I've been digging them up. What's funny is I hardly find any that are duplicates, so that should tell you how many different varieties there were. :wink:

I recently bought some coin books too, but seem to find way more buttons than old coins.
Have a great week,
MM

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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Don in SJ said:
Your new photos now have me wondering if it is a lock?
Don

Ancient earring? Medieval fishing sinker?

Heck, I'll take anything.

Seriously though, do you think it may have been used to check the depth of something like water in the well ? Attach a string possibly and lower it down to check the level.
That's my uneducated guess anyways. :tongue3:

Thanks Don.
-Doug-

Colonial KirkPA · Mar 30, 2008

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Awesome SC button, Doug! You are kicking some butt at this site! Keep hitting it hard with your usual passion.

You will strike a coppa here! :wink:

Kirk

PACO · Mar 30, 2008

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HEY MODERNMINER. LOVE THE CIVIL WAR STUFF. I WISH WE HAD OUR SHARE THIS FAR NORTH..............PACO

B|lker · Mar 30, 2008

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Awesome persistence doug, they must have just mowed over there because it was getting a little shaggy when i was there.

Keep those learning goodies coming.

I found a 1943D merc in cary today, not near as exciting as your finds though.

Merf · Mar 30, 2008

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That is a good haul of nice finds Doug. :thumbsup:

Congrats on that nice button.
WTG

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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KirkPA said:
Awesome SC button, Doug! You are kicking some butt at this site! Keep hitting it hard with your usual passion.

You will strike a coppa here!
Kirk

Thanks Kirk. Great coppa find today Dude. :thumbsup:

PACO said:
HEY MODERNMINER. LOVE THE CIVIL WAR STUFF. I WISH WE HAD OUR SHARE THIS FAR NORTH..............PACO

Thanks Paco.
I wish I had the old coins you guys score all the time. Awesome!
-MM-

B|lker said:
Awesome persistence doug, they must have just mowed over there because it was getting a little shaggy when i was there.
Keep those learning goodies coming.
I found a 1943D merc in cary today, not near as exciting as your finds though.

Congrats Bill.
These finds were from the Morrisville house, not the plantation. The grass was mowed & low when I was there.
-MM-

BuckleBoy · Mar 30, 2008

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MM,

You're KILLING me with those SC buttons!!! WOW!

I've been offline here for a few days...dang, I missed seeing some great stuff! I also missed ID'ing that weight for you. :P Oops. I dunno about the scabbard tip-looking piece. I'm not convinced that it is one, but I can't rule it out for sure. So, it sounds like there was an even-earlier structure on the site perhaps? WAY COOL!

Regards,

Buckleboy

birdman · Mar 30, 2008

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MM , that SC button rocks!

ModernMiner · Mar 30, 2008

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BuckleBoy said:
MM,
You're KILLING me with those SC buttons!!! WOW!
I've been offline here for a few days...dang, I missed seeing some great stuff! I also missed ID'ing that weight for you. :P Oops. I dunno about the scabbard tip-looking piece. I'm not convinced that it is one, but I can't rule it out for sure. So, it sounds like there was an even-earlier structure on the site perhaps? WAY COOL!
Regards,
Buckleboy

BB,
That's o.k., I'll let you off the hook this time. :wink:

That weight was a cool find for sure. Great things come in small packages.
-Doug-