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[SEAHUNTER]

Well guys, I am pretty logical and analytical in my approach to most things, but, I have seen dowsing work. Just because we don't understand something or believe in it ourselves is not a reason to say it is impossible. Some people have faith in things that can not be explained, such as religion, but most people don't say too much negative about that. I try to watch and see.

 

[rgecy]

Scott,

I am in the same boat. I don't like to discredit something without trying it or seeing it first hand. But, there is also a logical and scientific side that says this is just BS.

What I don't like is the attitude, name calling, and negative remarks that are being made to forum members who are speaking their mind. I am always very neutral and consider myself a "peacemaker", but this kind of behavior just seems ridiculous. I will probably regret this, but I think PegLeg likes the controversy! Most of his post are so outrageous, they have become entertaining.

Don, please don't hold that against me, but I think a lot of people will agree. I don't mind your topics, just all the non-sense that seems to follow all of them. I don't think there is anything wrong with what you are doing. You believe in it and thats what matters. But just because others do not believe it does not give you the right to call anyone names.

I would really appreciate it if you went back and edited your response to Tom and correct his screen name in your post.

Your credibility and integrity here are only as good as the words you type.

To the Mods:
In my opinion, this post is not shipwreck related and has no business in the shipwreck forum!

Robert in SC

 

[capt_t]

I dont take sides, and I dont say much,,,,,,but this forem has brought controversity,,,,,,Everyone has there own oppion and that is great, if we were all the same,,,,well think about it. I really didnt think that this would go as far as it did, but it has. i agree no name calling should be allowed, I thought we were here to help each other out......and thats all i have to say about that
tim

Anybody for homebrew........american wheat / with a hint of rassberry?

 

[capt_t]

ok i know i said this was all i had to say........the weather stinks,,,,,,,were not out on the water.......ppl get cranky..........but smooth sailing ahead

 

[SEAHUNTER]

Hello Everyone
I think you have to be a little more openminded and tolerant of others. We are Americans. Remember that phrase " Freedom of Speech". When and if this forum becomes censored I want out. As far as the name calling goes, it is wrong, but, so are disrespectful, disagreeable posts written with mean and spiteful intent. Go back and read most of the threads where this has happened and you will see it was almost always after the poster was antagonized.
Respectfully
Seahunter
P.s. Cornelius, don't underestimate me or my intellectual ability.

 

[Peg Leg]

Attention everyone,
I did not post this topic to cause dissension or any other problems on this forum but when gdaddyflex started his BS a few weeks ago by calling me a lunatic this really ruffled my feathers.
And I responded in kind. Of course I was wrong and the powers that are deleted my response as they should have.
It does not take a mind reader to read the undercurrent that has once more enter this topic.
I swore that I would not let this get to me but I let it get to me anyway. For this I apologised and told everyone that I was sorry. I will not say I am SORRY again.
Let me say this :

I WILL GUARANTEE THAT I WILL LOCATE A SHIPWRECK USING MY METHOD.

Peg leg

 

[ClonedSIM]

No, Dowsing is not like religeon. It is not faith based. It either works, or it doesn't.

There are dowsers on this site that would disagree with you, Dell. I've been told many times that a person has to believe in dowsing in order for it to work. This belief equates to faith, as I'm sure you would agree if I made the statement:
"Any skeptic can dowse with some degree of success, even if he thinks dowsing is a load of bunk and has a completely negative attitude about it."

You can disagree with me, of course, but I really think you dowsers should put your heads together and come up with a story you can stick with.

Reminds me of the joke about the four brothers who came in late one night and told their father they were late because of a flat tire. So, he split them up and took them one at a time into the woodshed, and asked them each which tire had the flat.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I can only speak for myself. In my experience, most everyone without mental disabilities, has the inherhent ability to learn to Dowse with varying degrees of success. I was a Skeptic, when I was learning to Dowse, as most people are. But it was open minded Sketicism, not irrational skepticism ,or criticism that I often see displayed in prejudice on these forums.

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CANBE DONE" Dell

I'll ignore your thinly veiled insult and ask you again. Can anyone dowse, or do you have to believe that dowsing works?

Your above post contradicts itself. Most everyone has an inherent ability to dowse to some degree, unless you are an irrational skeptic or have criticized dowsing at some point. This would mean that not everyone can dowse. You have to believe in it for dowsing to work.

Do you have to believe a bicycle works before you can ride it? You might need practice, but it will work, and always the same way, whether you believe in it or not. This is a perfect example of something that is not faith-based.

 

[Jean310]

I can only speak for myself. In my experience, most everyone without mental disabilities, has the inherhent ability to learn to Dowse with varying degrees of success. I was a Skeptic, when I was learning to Dowse, as most people are. But it was open minded Sketicism, not irrational skepticism ,or criticism that I often see displayed in prejudice on these forums.

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CANBE DONE" Dell

I'll ignore your thinly veiled insult and ask you again. Can anyone dowse, or do you have to believe that dowsing works?

Your above post contradicts itself. Most everyone has an inherent ability to dowse to some degree, unless you are an irrational skeptic or have criticized dowsing at some point. This would mean that not everyone can dowse. You have to believe in it for dowsing to work.

Do you have to believe a bicycle works before you can ride it? You might need practice, but it will work, and always the same way, whether you believe in it or not. This is a perfect example of something that is not faith-based.

I'm pretty sure Mike(Mont) would tell you, you will fail at dowsing if you have a negative attitude about it. Thus, dowsing would appear to be faith-based. In fact, Mike(Mont) has gone so far as to warn people who want to dowse, to not read any of the messages on any forums placed there by skeptics because just reading them will inflict great harm to any dowsing they might do in the future. He's even contended the placement of skeptical messages on dowsing forums is all part of organized clandestined plot to somehow negate and destroy the practice of dowsing.

If Mike is right, and the subtle overtones that dowsers are exposed to by reading a dowsing forum will ruin their dowsing ability, then I would have to conclude it (dowsing) is definitely a faith-based practice.

Of course, some may be more strong-willed than others ~~~

Jean

 

[privateer]

No but you have to have faith in your abilities to ride that bike!

 

[ClonedSIM]

I'll ignore your thinly veiled insult and ask you again. Can anyone dowse, or do you have to believe that dowsing works?

I'm sorry, I didn't intend it as an insult. I only pointed out that there may be some who are mentally, or physically handicapped that are unable to learn to dowse.

Gotcha, but...

No I don't have to believe a bicycle works before I would try to learn to ride it, and prove to myself that it works. However if I was handicapped with no legs, no equilibrium,or learning disability may be a deterence to my ability to learn.

even if you were physically unable to ride the bicycle, the bicycle would still work just as it should. The fact that you couldn't pilot the bike would not stop if from being a functioning tool.

You establish your own parameters. If you believe faith in dowsing is required for you to learn, then you will have to have that faith. If you don't believe you have to have faith in Dowsing to learn, then no faith in Dowsing is necessary. If you believe you can Dowse only when there is a full moon, then it will be necessary for there to be a full moon when you Dowse, etc.

Here's another reason dowsing gets such a bad rap. You can have faith in dowsing, or not. You can dowse only under a full moon, or not. You can dowse only with one hand, or not. With so many different theories, hasn't it ever crossed your mind that there may not be a cause, other than a belief in a dowser's own head?

 

[Jean310]

Here's another reason dowsing gets such a bad rap. You can have faith in dowsing, or not. You can dowse only under a full moon, or not. You can dowse only with one hand, or not. With so many different theories, hasn't it ever crossed your mind that there may not be a cause, other than a belief in a dowser's own head?

All dowsers have a belief system of one form or another, without question. Even Dell has a belief system, only it appears his beliefs are that he has no constraints. I think the belief systems range all the way from Zero Constraints to Lots of Constraints and Conditions. For instance, look at the constraints Max has placed on his dowsing practice. Most severe, I'd say. I've heard tell of others that could not dowse unless they put on rubber-soled shoes, or could only dowse a few hours when the sun was almost directly overhead.

Bottom line is this:

Dowser's belief systems, like the very practice itself have no consistency.

Attempting to find consistency is sheer folly because you are attempting to find a pattern in a totally random event. Not possible.

Belief systems are concocted by each dowser in an attempt to refine and improve on the results they experience. Again, this is total folly, since there is no way to sense or improve on a random event. The dowser who doesn't see the folly, will spend a lifetime constantly modifying their (belief) system, looking for consistency and a pattern, which does not exist.

Jean

 

[dowser 501]

This was a damn good thread until you skeptics wrecked it. Peg Leg you are now in skeptic water and now wasting your breath. Reminds me of leaving a piece of meat out in the sun until the flies get a whiff of it. Max

 

[aarthrj3811]

All dowsers have a belief system of one form or another, without question. Even Dell has a belief system, only it appears his beliefs are that he has no constraints. I think the belief systems range all the way from Zero Constraints to Lots of Constraints and Conditions. For instance, look at the constraints Max has placed on his dowsing practice. Most severe, I'd say. I've heard tell of others that could not dowse unless they put on rubber-soled shoes, or could only dowse a few hours when the sun was almost directly overhead.

Bottom line is this:

Dowser's belief systems, like the very practice itself have no consistency.

Attempting to find consistency is sheer folly because you are attempting to find a pattern in a totally random event. Not possible.

Belief systems are concocted by each dowser in an attempt to refine and improve on the results they experience. Again, this is total folly, since there is no way to sense or improve on a random event. The dowser who doesn't see the folly, will spend a lifetime constantly modifying their (belief) system, looking for consistency and a pattern, which does not exist.

Jean

Gee Jean...Good post but you missed the most importain fact...Dispite all the different beliefs...They find what they are looking for...end of story

 

[Jean310]

Gee Jean...Good post but you missed the most importain fact...Dispite all the different beliefs...They find what they are looking for...end of story

You mean like finding a smattering of flour gold in the middle of known gold-producing country.

How neat........... I can do the same thing with a Magic Gold Dart.

Jean

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Jean....Flour gold sells for the same price as small nuggets. So whats the problem.,...Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

af even if you were physically unable to ride the bicycle, the bicycle would still work just as it should. The fact that you couldn't pilot the bike would not stop if from being a functioning tool.
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agreed, same as a Bushman from the Kalahai desert attemting to use the computer in front of you.
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you establish your own parameters. If you believe faith in dowsing is required for you to learn, then you will have to have that faith. If you don't believe you have to have faith in Dowsing to learn, then no faith in Dowsing is necessary. If you believe you can Dowse only when there is a full moon, then it will be necessary for there to be a full moon when you Dowse, etc
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Agreed agan..
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Here's another reason dowsing gets such a bad rap. You can have faith in dowsing, or not. You can dowse only under a full moon, or not. You can dowse only with one hand, or not. With so many different theories, hasn't it ever crossed your mind that there may not be a cause, other than a belief in a dowser's own head?
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Agreed again
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Operational definitions are inherently difficult — arguably, even impossible — to apply to mental entities, because these latter are generally understood to be accessible only to the individual who experiences them and are therefore not independently verifiable."
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Of course I can dowse! It's quite easy, just not very useful. - Carl
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Tropical Tramp

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=Jean310 ]You mean like finding a smattering of flour gold in the middle of known gold-producing country.
How neat........... I can do the same thing with a Magic Gold Dart.jean
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Then do it, gold is at a high, but it might help to get a kindergarden book on Geology first, to refresh your faulty knowledge.
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Operational definitions are inherently difficult — arguably, even impossible — to apply to mental entities, because these latter are generally understood to be accessible only to the individual who experiences them and are therefore not independently verifiable."
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Of course I can dowse! It's quite easy, just not very useful. - Carl
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Tropical Tramp

 

[Jean310]

Hey Jean....Flour gold sells for the same price as small nuggets. So whats the problem.,...Art

I'm not disputing the price of gold ---did I?

The problem is, I've seen you claim that your dowsing was responsible for you finding a token amount of flour gold in the middle of gold-producing ground. It's a neat claim, but I'll bet I could do the same thing with a Magic Gold Finding Dart.

Now, if you could consistently knock out a 1 or 2 oz nugget in every spot you dowsed, then you might be onto to something.

Jean

 

[xupz]

Hey Jean....Flour gold sells for the same price as small nuggets. So whats the problem.,...Art

I'm not disputing the price of gold ---did I?

The problem is, I've seen you claim that your dowsing was responsible for you finding a token amount of flour gold in the middle of gold-producing ground. It's a neat claim, but I'll bet I could do the same thing with a Magic Gold Finding Dart.

Now, if you could consistently knock out a 1 or 2 oz nugget in every spot you dowsed, then you might be onto to something.

Jean

Well Jean, I'm certain Art does find those massive nuggets everywhere. Why would you question this? My theory is Art has so much gold around his place that he grinds nuggets into gold powder to sprinkle on his food, because it's the most baller thing a dowser can do with all their gold.