Checkout the flaking on this one.

[rock]

I went all day but didnt find any great things. Pottery and a piece of a stone bowl. My friend found this Heart Stopper but it is broken but checkout the flaking on it. I know it would of been a great one and he was nice enough to give it to me. By the inclusions in the stone I do believe it is Hematite and also the weight of it. Maybe next time a whole one will surface. HH, rock

 

[NC field hunter]

............we have found worked glass

Kuger you are most defiantly right! I have never found a piece of man made glass that was worked. Lol! I found some nice high quality glass made by Mother Nature in my mail box one day. Man had altered it! Never can tell where you might find an artifact!

 

[old digger]

Are you sure that it is hematite? Just asking. Out here hematite would not be considered an ideal material for manufacturing points. It will snap/break to easily and does not flake consistently without breaking. Plus better material was more available and sought after.

 

[larson1951]

............we have found worked glass

i have a friend in mandan that has a few pieces of flaked glass
they are bluish glass, one looks like it was a spokeshave type and one looks like a scraper type
i think they were arikara or hidatsa or mandan

 

[GatorBoy]

The glass by me that is from the correct period is almost always green.
Sometimes amber.
Some is flaked some is ground.
I've found spokeshaves,scrapers,blades and points.

 

[kuger]

i have a friend in mandan that has a few pieces of flaked glass
they are bluish glass, one looks like it was a spokeshave type and one looks like a scraper type
i think they were arikara or hidatsa or mandan

Ours are always made from Black glass(or what is a deep emerald green)Usually beer came in the bottles and ours date to the 1850's.They arent very common at all due to the fact that the Gold diggers often killed the Indians for fun,and of course disease brought a heavy toll quickly.

My Dad and grand father used to tell about Yellowjacket whom was a tribal elder(was said to be over 100 years old when he died)used to pay the kids to bring them the broken tail light glass,which he would sit on a bench on mainstreet and chip into points and sell to tourists....often the same ones who unbeknownst to them had sacrificed a tail light! .of course this was a later period from the ones I was previously referring to

 

[kuger]

Kuger you are most defiantly right! I have never found a piece of man made glass that was worked. Lol! I found some nice high quality glass made by Mother Nature in my mail box one day. Man had altered it! Never can tell where you might find an artifact!

NC,I am not talking about obsidian,I am talking about Indian made points from beer bottle.Trust me GB is not the only one to have found knapped glass!

 

[NC field hunter]

NC,I am not talking about obsidian,I am talking about Indian made points from beer bottle.Trust me GB is not the only one to have found knapped glass!

My bad Kuger. GB was the only person that I have direct contact with that I was aware of that has found worked glass.

 

[GatorBoy]

He only said I was the only person he regularly speaks to who has Kuger.

 

[kuger]

...wasnt meaning to come off as defensive......I apologize for that.It is a subject that has gone un-noticed,and I think is a very cool piece of history.These points are by no means common.The period journals talk about the Indians prowling around the camps on Sundays,to steal anything left un attended(it wasnt stealing to them,they felt if you werent using it,they could...they didnt have a word in their language for ownership)they especially liked discarded or drying clothing,and if they had four jackets and three hats it showed "Wealth",they would wear all at the same time.Just like with all contacts,liquor was a huge downfall for these Mother Lode Indians as well.There are several very good journals by miners who didnt take to the practice of killing Indians but were left in awe by them,and even befriended them.One was John Doble,and Nick Perlot,who was the first white (French)to be taken by the Indians to the Yosemite Valley....and shown where great amounts f gold were as well fantastic reads

 

[GatorBoy]

I've found it on two sites...one containing Spanish shipwreck artifacts from a 1715 wreck close by.
The natives actually free dove for the Spanish to salvage as much of their shipment of gold silver and gems as they could.
Alot of porcelain and glass made it back to their village sites.
The other place was an early 1800's site where some Creeks that were fighting on the side of the U.S. soldiers in the second Seminole war set up camp. 1835-1842.
Many of those "black glass" bottles were beer..but many were wine also.
This bottle seal came from that site.
From the Medoc region of France known for its large vineyards and wine distribution.

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[kuger]

Yes,great point many were wine,or Borduex...which was much more common than beer

The "ship",wreck.....Chinese Junk,the Frolic was discovered from porceline and black glass,and tools fashioned from glass that the Pomo(I beleive)Indians had salvaged from the wreck

Voyage of the Frolic

 

[GatorBoy]

Nice link.. thanks for that.

 

[kuger]

......I highly recommend the book
Gifts from the Celestial Kingdom: A Shipwrecked Cargo for Gold Rush California - Thomas N. Layton - Google Books

 

[GatorBoy]

I'm always very interested in the cross connection between the Native population and shipwrecks in any given area.
There is a great amount of untold stories and artifacts connecting the two in most cases.
Since I also am deeply interested in both the human story and the artifacts associated with the Spanish in my state...learning the native customs as well as site locations ..especially seasonal hunting and fishing sites as well as main village sites... paints a picture of exactly what was going on at the time of the wreck and where.
It has lead to the location of some exciting discoveries here.
I never complain about finding stuff like this either. ;-)







The cob on the left is late 1600's minted in Lima Peru the one on the right is early 1700's minted in Mexico.
Both found the same day from the same shipwreck.

 

[GatorBoy]

Sorry if I've strayed off course here... it's not often I get a segway into posting these type of finds in this forum.

 

[NC field hunter]

Sorry if I've strayed off course here... it's not often I get a segway into posting these type of finds in this forum.

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Isn't that a rail road spike?

 

[rock]

Isn't that a rail road spike?

Its a square nail from a ship would be my guess.

 

[rock]

Are you sure that it is hematite? Just asking. Out here hematite would not be considered an ideal material for manufacturing points. It will snap/break to easily and does not flake consistently without breaking. Plus better material was more available and sought after.

No not completely sure on it. Its heavy and I have heard of brown flint found in this area so it could be a different type of flint than I usually find. The creek it was found in has had some Paleo and allot of Dalton come out of it. The flaking looked older than Woodland to me.

 

[GatorBoy]

Isn't that a rail road spike?

No.. it's a bronze deck spike from a Shipwreck.
Railroad spikes are iron and would not be green either.