sgtfda
Bronze Member
Buy low, sell high. I'm a also a Graduate Gemologist and a goldsmith. I advised Bob his prongs needed tightened on the ring. The ore was ready to fall out.
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That was my thought when I first saw the ring from a pic on this forum.
Same with the matchbox, at least to me,where is the proof.
Was it even under the bed, on Waltz, or even in his house.
Unless I am missing something.
How come none of the ore is for sale? Who has samples of it and why would they not be willing to sell a little piece.
If someone had a piece could they figure out where the quartz would match a certain area.
Would someone, or some where have on record the matrix or properties of the ore, or is it simply just quartz and gold,and that's it, nothing else to say.
This is what CJ wrote about the ring:Rewritten,but you can read the actual words on the previous page.
Unless CJ lets me quote him.
Bob might not wear his ring, maybe not claiming it's Dutchman's ore. He found out the person who sold it to him was a fraud. He confirmed all of the information for himself, just as I did.
Hope CJ does not mind.
How can you be sure of this statement:From you.
None of this ore is for sale today or at any time in the future.
Who has control of all the ore.
And why would it not be for sale,unless it could be matched up to some other mine by using todays technologies that we didnt have before. Then that would prove all this is fake, or made up if the ore could be matched to another mine not in the sups.
specifically requested by the owner of the ring.Did this person get a special offer because they where writing a book, or something to do with favors.
.....Next I have to respectfully disagree with our mutual amigo and learned prospector Springfield, I have met several geologists whom were able to ID ore samples as originating from various mines simply by examining them with a 10x loupe. Yes indeed there is a great deal of variation even within a single vein of a mine, but it is in the exact mix of minerals found in them that helps the geologist (and some assayers) ID them, and they really are as different as fingerprints....
Several people have sent me a PM with various questions and asked how much was paid for the piece of Dutchman ore in the ring and if they might also buy a piece of the ore for themselves. Somehow, somewhere, they got the ridiculous misguided belief someone had sold the owner of the ring the ore.
None of the "dutchman" ore has ever been sold or offered for sale to anyone. None of this ore is for sale today or at any time in the future. The piece of ore you see in the ring was specifically requested by the owner of the ring. At first the request was politely declined because none of this ore has ever been out in public beyond the assays and analysis done on it and monetary gain is not even a factor. The owner of the ring continued to request a piece of the specific ore and finally was given one of the best and most valuable specimines.
The owner of the ring paid nothing for the ore. It cost him nothing, not a penny, not even the postage to send it.
Three seperate assays/analysis match the ore in the ring to the Dutchman Matchbox and another piece of the Dutchman ore from under the bed of Jacob Waltz. As Dirty Dutchman pointed out earlier, there is no assay/analysis that says the ore is not Dutchman ore.
Matthew K. Roberts
What's that you say ? Well tell my old grandmother ! I've got two two very elegant bedfellows who kick at the first drop of rain and hide in the closet when thunder rumbles. My my my, what great prospectors, two shoe clerks readin a magazine about prospecting for gold in the land of the midnight Sun, south of the border, west of the Rockies.
Let me tell you something my two fine bedfellows, you're so dumb there's nothin to compare you with. You're dumber than the dumbes't jackazz. Look at each other will you ? Did you ever see anything like yourselves for dumb specimines ?
You're so dumb you don't even see the riches you're treadin on with your own two feet !
B. Traven The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
DD, depends on how much I had.
Of course I would if I had more than say I could make a ring,or necklace out of,or a silver bracelet with a piece in the middle.
No sense in just having a piece of rock with gold in it just sitting around.
I could buy a mule and search for more gold.
Who's to prove where it came from anyway.
There's none been found except for under his bed.
Maybe he brought it from California.
Maybe from the Bradshaws,Lynx creek,ect.
I am going to look at Ebay from now on once a week.
If I look at ebay or around enough, I could probably find a chunk that would look like it anyway. and pass it off to 90% of anyone who I showed it to.
I ought to buy that chunk on Ebay.It is pure white quartz,with gold and silver, and 5.5 lbs.
Im sure a hammer would make at least 1 piece that would resemble the Dutchman ore.
Then I could have a $40,000 necklace for sale.
Heck, maybe half a dozen necklaces if im lucky.
What are they going to say,it is white quartz,and gold.
Plus,1 vein can have different matrix's.
I just have to say I found it at florence Junction where the stones where found with my MD.
Am I missing something,Kraig is in this forum posting?
Picture rock is harder to come by nowadays, and pricey too - but available, as you noted. In 1974, in America's now extinct mining districts, it was easily available. If a guy knew whose door to knock on in Montrose, CO those days, he could get all he needed from wooden boxes in _____ _____'s garage. He and others collected it on the job to sell to Red Chinese buyers who regularly made the rounds. Yes, as today, the Chinese valued gold then - and for the past couple thousand years too. But that's another topic.
High-grading? The company looked the other way in 1974. For every ounce ______ and pals gouged out of vugs and put in their pie cans, they produced 100 more for the company, and they wanted these guys on the job as good miners were hard to find. In Waltz's day, good looking ore was a common commodity as American mining camps were all over the map and the metal was money then.
Matchbook ore from the LDM? If you want to believe, then believe. Heck, call it King Solomon's gold - you'll probably get people lined up to buy it.