"ES" Token? Any ID?

[Dirtwisher]

Dug this a few weeks ago and had it in my "maybe I'll never know what it is" pile. The "E" is missing the top horizontal line, which is weird. I finally got motivated tonight by IH's McCausland penny to post and ask if anyone has a thought on what it might be. I wrote it off as a livestock tag or something initially.

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

Oh Cool!

Thats an "E.S. Smith" Counterstamp on a coin....Can you make out any other details?

 

[Dirtwisher]

Is it brass or copper? or Iron?

Looks like copper. I thought it was a largie until I saw the letters. It's also about 1mm bigger.

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

Looks like copper. I thought it was a largie until I saw the letters. It's also about 1mm bigger.

I did quick search and found that one....then did a search on that Name, but came up with nothing..Either way, Awesome find! I would love to find ANY coin older that 1890s..lol

 

[ironhorse]

I really like counter stamped coins, there's so much variety
Sadly many aren't catalogued, so some are hard to nail down on their maker or issuer

 

[Dirtwisher]

Thanks DND! If you're in MA give me a PM and we'll try to get you something older than 1890!

 

[I-DIG-IT]

Nice digs.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Counterstamps are cool, I've only found 2, and they came both on the same hunt. Not letters though, one is like a little sunburst on a GEO III. It is def. a favorite of mine.

 

[oxbowbarefoot]

Nice find, hopefully you'll be able to ID it.

 

[Turbo21]

Looks like copper. I thought it was a largie until I saw the letters. It's also about 1mm bigger.

Large cent sizes varied by the years


Your 1843 lc is 27.5 mm

But the lc from 1816-1836 was larger at 28-29 mm

Maybe post a pic of the back and that will help


Here is a site with all of the large cent measurements

http://www.coin-collecting-guide-for-beginners.com/large-cents.html

Bob

 

[Dirtwisher]

Large cent sizes varied by the years Your 1843 lc is 27.5 mm But the lc from 1816-1836 was larger at 28-29 mm Maybe post a pic of the back and that will help Here is a site with all of the large cent measurements http://www.coin-collecting-guide-for-beginners.com/large-cents.html Bob

Aha - didn't know that. I would bet that's what it is then. It's the right thickness. The back is literally not worth taking a picture. I held it up to a light at a steep angle and there are no shadows in any direction.

 

[Turbo21]

Aha - didn't know that. I would bet that's what it is then. It's the right thickness. The back is literally not worth taking a picture. I held it up to a light at a steep angle and there are no shadows in any direction.

Try laying it flat on a table. And lay a flashlight on the table shining across it. Sometimes. That helps


You can also edit the picture of the back to black and white and play with the contrast and other settings to pull a date. It helped me on my 182- lc
I tied editing your picture of the front and couldn't find anything

Bob

 

[Iron Patch]

Aha - didn't know that. I would bet that's what it is then. It's the right thickness. The back is literally not worth taking a picture. I held it up to a light at a steep angle and there are no shadows in any direction.

Whether it's a large cent or not generally doesn't matter especially with common coins in low grades, because it's all about the stamp. The only time the undertype tends to matter is when the coin itself exceeds the value of the stamp, or in the case of something like French Colonials collectors collect by the different undertypes. For the majority of merchant or private tokens I would guess most people would simply just want an example and not care about what the coin is, and I don't think it would be real uncommon to find different matches not mentioned in the Brunk.