Escape from New York

How bout Gulf Shores Ala. Orange Beach is great. I'm 64 also and I think that would look at that area also. I don't think I could live on the beach but there are lots of places to look at. I even thought about working at a golf course 3 or 4 days a week then detecting the rest of the time. Anyway good luck to ya. Rook.
The wife & I spent one Winter in an RV park in Silverhill AL 4 years ago which isn't far from Gulf Shores. Nice area but HOT in the Summer and dead in the Winter being a tourist area. Lots of Civil War history in the area as well but nearly everything is off limits to detecting unless you know someone. Fort Morgan was cool but a couple miles before you even get close you start to see the signs that say even possession of a metal detector will get your stuff taken away and possible fines.
 
Ahhhh Gulf Shores....Spent a little time there a few years ago on a girls' trip after we had completed the CMA half marathon(walking,heaven forbid running) and were celebrating our accomplishment.The Florabama Bar and Grill is/was a fun place to go.

 
Ahhhh Gulf Shores....Spent a little time there a few years ago on a girls' trip after we had completed the CMA half marathon(walking,heaven forbid running) and were celebrating our accomplishment.The Florabama Bar and Grill is/was a fun place to go.

LOL... been there. Got the t-shirt to prove it. Did you leave anything hanging above the bar ? Crusty biker bar tucked in between multi million dollar condos.. What's not to like..
 
Hey NHBandit, how I envy you today. It was down around zero here this morning, we're about to get 8-12 inches of snow dumped on us, to be followed by wind chills20-30 below. Perhaps I needed a winter like this to motivate me to get out of here. IM MOTIVATED!!! I don't think Charlie P complained about the weather but he'd have a better chance of changing the weather than changing the way this state operates. I hope that's non-political enough!. Jim
 
You hit the nail on the head NHB. I know exactly what you mean. I was a Deputy for 9 years until they arbitrarily decided a bunch of us should be jail guards, so I pulled the plug. Nine years down the drain. Anyway, there is definitely an overlap in services. City Police, State Police Sheriffs Dept., and many Town agencies. Then I worked road construction for7 years. That salt is not only expensive it reeks havoc on the roads and bridges. Half the bridges in NY need extensive repair or outright replacement. They'll be looking for more taxes and ticket revenue. How I miss Walmarts, the nearest to me is about an hour away. That's a nice view, looks real peaceful. Jim
 
Hello doc-d. I suppose the restriction of weapons wouldn't be a problem if you don't need them. How's the crime down there and what does it cost a month to live there ? Just curious, I don't think I would leave the USA in trouble as it is. Jim
 
Hi goober. I have to agree with Nirros, your most important asset is your partner, your wife. That said , it looks like your off to a good start. I have a few skills, but I could use a lot more, especially gardening, which I'd like to start this summer. The seasons real short up here. We've all got a ways to go to be like the Founding Fathers. Many of them hiked through snow without shoes at times. We've all gotten a little soft to varying degrees. But you got the right idea. It will take GODS help to save this country. Jim
 
Hello Rook, I'll check it out a little on the net. I looked at a few places on the Florida panhandle like Panama City and Corpus Christi in Texas. I think your right in that you'd probably want to get back away from the coast. Looks kinda " busy ". Maybe hit the beaches in the off season and after the hurricanes. Thanks for the input. Jim
 
Some petty crime here but it is a much different culture than the USSA……in the USSA I carry 24/7….here I am comfortable with only a knife and even without it…….weapons are readily available on the black market, but the houses here are masonry with metal bars on windows and doors with generally an outside gate……
If you go in wrong places at wrong time, late night, or if you wear expensive jewelry and flaunt it, you increase the risk of being robbed…….
Short story, safer here than the USSA generally………and it is again 90 here, with a low about 75 or so…….reading the weather report of upstate NY, I am very happy to be here…...
 
Hello Follows Camp Craig. I am pretty much zeroed in on the N.C., S.C., Tennessee area. Thanks for the heads up on Cary. I don't want to be in ANY type of Containment Area. Sounds creepy. There's got to be an interesting story about Camp Craig.

Once you have landed in your new destination, we shall have some long talks around the campfire.

I look forward to that day, now I can only offer small talk, but I can only offer big medicine until then
 
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Ya RJC closer to the truth! Lol!
 
Hey doc-d. 90 degrees! How I envy you, you read our weather report. I got a foot already and it's supposed to keep up all night with wind chills at 15-20 below. I pretty much carry 24/7 myself, but it looks like common sense will keep you out of trouble. I don't have any expensive jewelry. So what is the bare minimum it would cost to live there, I'm a little doubtful I could afford it. Jim
 
Hello Follows Camp Craig. IT's beginning to look like I'm heading in that general area. I look forward to meeting you. I probably could use some big medicine.
 
As for living in Ecuador……cost are far less, from 30 to 50% less…..you can live well on $2000, and even less……nice apartments run $300 give or take, food is fresh and cost far less, you do not need heat nor AC in most of the country……
Many ex-pats here already and more coming every day…….
You are eligible for a resident visa if you have a retirement income of $1000…….if you live on Soc Sec, you can live well here with money to spare…….
The people are nice and welcome you……it is a spanish speaking country, yet there are a few areas with more ex-pats where much English is spoken……..
Flights from Miami to either Quito or Guayaquil run about $600 round trip and take about 4 hours…….
Interesting, we are on the Pacific Ocean (south of the Japan radiation assault) and have the same time zone as NY.
Life is good here…..12 hours daylight year round……
Health care runs about $80/month and is better than what you get in the USSA……..if you go to the VA, you can submit your bills and get paid from the VA for care here……..
Watching the storm, I am extremely happy to be here…….heck, even with nice weather in NY, I am happy to be here…………..
 
Hello Piegrande. Friendly people are probably more important than weather and taxes if you can afford the taxes. I thank you for the info. This is the kind of information you won't get from the chamber of Commerce or a travel agent. I thank you for the info. By the way, I'm really curious as to how much it costs a month to live in Mexico. The least.

While that is a common question, there is no useful answer. It all depends upon how you want to live. And, where you want to live. We live in the Third World mountain village where my wife was born, in the Central Highlands.

Before I go on, let me say do not ever consider living in Mexico to save money. For living in a totally different culture, it takes a special person. Many are called, but few are chosen. A few years ago, a study showed that most NA expats leave within two years. So, rent; don't buy for at least two years. (And, let me add that I have known people who have made a permanent move, and went back within 72 hours, no joke.)

My wife and I both have SS checks and each have a modest pension. We are not talking $10,000 a year, nor are we talking $50,000 a year, if you get my drift. We are the Joneses! We deliberately live down to avoid attracting kidnappers. And, we keep a mobile home in McAllen.

To live in Mexico economically, you need to observe Mexican families who have the same income you have, then live as they live. If they have a car, so can you. If they use the public transport system, so must you. If they eat smoked salmon, so can you. If they eat a simple, traditional diet, (frijoles; tortillas; vegetables; and hot peppers with an occasional piece of meat) so must you. If they must scrounge used clothes, so must you.

A friend used to handle remittances. A local woman with a small house paid for and two kids received $50 every week and did well. You can be sure she ate the traditional diet listed above and relied on donations of used clothes from kinfolk. And, walked everywhere, but you can also be sure they had an air TV. No phone. No Internet.

For a full 1.2 acres of prime land, and a house for which we had an offer of $175,000 before it was finished, we now pay $150 a year taxes. And, my wife was furious. My first case of bribery because I wanted the land appraised very high to avoid the city confiscating a road through our land. It had been $20 a year, seriously.

This is a third world village. Houses are unheated, though I do have a fireplace. One does like in Merry Old England, when it was cold, you put on warm clothes. And, your body adjusts after a week to sleeping in the cold.

As I said, many are called but few are chosen. There are two NA in a 750 square mile area. The other one is a woman from NYC who married a local man.

I recommend most start in Guadalajara, because for decades that is where most NA prefer to live. If you make like $40,000 a year, you can live very well in most places in Mexico. Avoid Chapala and Ajijic, American colonies near Guad. Very high land prices, so I am told. But, Guad. has one
of the best hospitals in the world. Canadians come there for surgery and routine medical treatment.

Since this is T'net, I might suggest you go to the Aztec forum and read about the interest in my community. I viewed it as a quaint local legend that Moctezuma's treasure was buried here, but after reading the Bernal Diaz book, I am now convinced it is, rather, oral tradition, which is totally different from legend. My wife is directly descended from Moctezuma I, my own genealogical studies verify this. Her great-grandma was the last Moctezuma, and she lived as a child in the Moctezuma house.

Big negative. No one will ever let you dig.



Every where you go, whether it is nation or state, has its advantages and its disadvantages. You need to find the places whose advantages are important to you, and whose disadvantages are not important to you. I have done so and life is sweet! I call this my little paradise. But, you need to understand I do not recommend this place to other people not only for living, but not even for visiting. You would find it a terrible place. :D
 
I gotta' say, Ecuador sounds good, even to me, Heh, heh. Same thing though. Not everyone can transistion to another culture. With no intention to start a gender discussion, women usually have more problems then men making the transition because the household work tends to be much harder, as well as other reasons. And, there are few extra social benefits for women such as are normal in the USA.
 
doc-d....piegrande, I can't thank you enough. you both have provided me with an abundance of useful information , a lot of which, I wouldn't have even thought to ask. I'm living quite frugally and have been for some time, I am on SS and have been getting by nicely on about 12000 a year, However that's due in a large part to my caretaking position at a rather remote compound in the Adirondacks which provides me with free rent. So I'm probably right on the borderline of economic survivability. You know what the weather is up hear and much to my chagrin, there is no wood stove in this cabin so I've been living at 60 degrees the last few years. I'm used to roughing it.
I spent some time in both Viet Nam and Okinawa and I loved the people in both countries. They really are beautiful people. It saddens me what we did to the country of Viet Nam. All they wanted to do is grow their rice and feed their families, they didn't really care who ran the country and we blew some beautiful landscape all to Hell. I really believe I would adopt to the culture quite easily.
As you both describe your prospective countries , what's not to like, especially at this particular point in my life and my circumstance. I guess what it all comes down to for me is having the nerve, given my economic marginality. I don't suppose it would be easy for an English speaking person to find a little supplemental income ?
Again, I thank you both profusely for the extensive information that you have provided and the time you took in advising me. It would be impossible for me to even consider such an adventurous move without it. Jim
 
I am also from upstate NY and feel the same way you do, the cold, the left wingers, the tax's and the dumb laws. Upstate NY people have no say in any of the politics it's all done in NYC and Albany. Now if I could just convince my wife to move.
 

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