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[sgtfda]

 

[BennyV]

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What is this

 

[Tesorodeoro]

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Looks to me that that area you have labeled as “wagon” is located at a place where the contours steepen significantly. Not wagon country unless they came from above trying to head down the hill. I could see someone contouring around to where you have it labeled “ambush site”.

 

[sgtfda]

They were following the ridge around Bell Draft above Schaffer Draft. Jack found the Wagon there then burned it so no one else could. I followed the route and found the metal parts that he could not destroy. The story states the abandoned the wagons and headed off SW. At the county border some skeletons were found about 1870 by a survey crew. They were buried. Later when the pipeline crew was digging the trench they were dug up again and reburied again next to the trench. I found that spot. Both crews did not report their discovery. The knew about the bars. The trench crew did not want to screw up the trench dig. They left the trench open and uncovered in that spot only. If you go up there you will know you are in the spot.

 

[sgtfda]

What is this

My map using Jacks cords and my discoveries.

 

[BennyV]

My map using Jacks cords and my discoveries.

what did you discover?

 

[pa plateau hiker]

They were following the ridge around Bell Draft above Schaffer Draft. Jack found the Wagon there then burned it so no one else could. I followed the route and found the metal parts that he could not destroy. The story states the abandoned the wagons and headed off SW. At the county border some skeletons were found about 1870 by a survey crew. They were buried. Later when the pipeline crew was digging the trench they were dug up again and reburied again next to the trench. I found that spot. Both crews did not report their discovery. The knew about the bars. The trench crew did not want to screw up the trench dig. They left the trench open and uncovered in that spot only. If you go up there you will know you are in the spot.

If you're saying Jack found the wagon and had wood still attached to it, and burned it seems highly unlikely. The climate in that area is humid, wet and damp. Any wood would have rotted away decades ago. And the possibility of forest fires which may or may not have happened. I have found metal from several wagons and there was not a sliver of wood left on them.

 

[Tpmetal]

If you're saying Jack found the wagon and had wood still attached to it, and burned it seems highly unlikely. The climate in that area is humid, wet and damp. Any wood would have rotted away decades ago. And the possibility of forest fires which may or may not have happened. I have found metal from several wagons and there was not a sliver of wood left on them.

Have spent time in this area, and even met Dennis himself there one time. Can confirm there are entire houses already rotted away from that era. I would find it very very hard to believe a wagon hung around that long

 

[3cylbill]

Have spent time in this area, and even met Dennis himself there one time. Can confirm there are entire houses already rotted away from that era. I would find it very very hard to believe a wagon hung around that long

What you are failing to understand is that when the wagon was built with a false floor to lay the bars flat and then they poured hot tar on them to hide them and keep from bouncing around..jack found TAR COVERD PLANKS thats how the wood lasted so long..

 

[Tpmetal]

What you are failing to understand is that when the wagon was built with a false floor to lay the bars flat and then they poured hot tar on them to hide them and keep from bouncing around..jack found TAR COVERD PLANKS thats how the wood lasted so long..

Built a tree house with dad as a kid. Coated the vertical posts in tar. They are all completely rotted away 30 years later here. I still find it hard to believe. If anything was found at most I would expect he found the hubs and bands that went around the wheels. But I guess weirder thing have happened.

 

[releventchair]

what did you discover?

You sure ask a lot of questions.
Ask him what he recovered also while you're at it.
Oh and ask if he saw any gold too!

 

[BennyV]

You sure ask a lot of questions.
Ask him what he recovered also while you're at it.
Oh and ask if he saw any gold too!

I will.

Hey SGT what was recovered. Did you see the gold?

 

[russau]

Lot's of possible / probibile questions .....

 

[sgtfda]

I will.

Hey SGT what was recovered. Did you see the gold?

Jack was a caretaker at a ranch on top of the mountain in the area. He invited my partner up for a visit. John Stevenson. Well known in the THunting detecting community. Jack had found two bars sticking out of the ground just east of Bell Draft. They were painted with black tar. He kept them under his bed. He would file gold off a bar and sell shavings to a jeweler in St Marys. Jack let John handle the bar he was shaving gold off of. John and I hooked up and the rest is history. Jack and I would talk and compare notes. He located the Lt's grave and wanted me to help dig it up. I refused. He thought the extra gold was buried with the Lt. His greatest fear was the Gov. Taking the bars. He moved south and I moved to Arizona finding my own gold in the Superstitions. Up untill he died he would still call me now and then.

 

[russau]

BUT "sgtfda" in comparison .you have them memories and times spent with Jack that NOBODY can take away from you ! a PRICELESS time & memoriy !! CONGRADULATIONS and ENJOY those times /memoriys !

 

[diamonddave]

Both crews did not report their discovery.

Did not report their discovery?

This is consistent with the so many dead-end aspects of the tales told in various versions of this story. Lead a "believer" down a rabbit hole with fascinating so-called facts, none of which can be verified due to inevitable destruction, death or placement in a place which cannot be dug.

Survey crews did not report the discovery of dead soldiers. Ok, if not reported, how is this even known?

Jack burned the wagons so they would not be discovered? Jack gave local presentations on the story. Jack claimed to have found a wagon wheel and trace. Never mentioned burning anything. Can't ask Jack now, he's gone. Loggers in the area were also known to use wagons which were likely pulled by mule teams which could handle the heavy work. The parts Jack or sgtfda claim to have found are no more proven Union payroll wagon train than they are remnants of the logging industry.

Treasure buried with the LT? This is a classic taken from the 1966 Spaghetti Western The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, with the loot being buried in Arch Stanton's grave. Can't find the LTs grave with a headstone and certainly can't dig it up.

Jack was interviewed in-depth in 2002. He openly admitted in the interview of repeatedly "buying more beer" for the old man who allegedly found the gold and kept him coming back for the beer and to tell more stories. Jack's gone. The alleged old man is likely gone.

Jack had planned to have his book up for sale in the Summer of 2003. It was said to include the tantalizing tales that kept him looking.

If Jack found gold, you can bet he would have been sharing this in the interview and in his book. He wouldn't be writing about tales that kept him looking. He would be writing about the facts which led him to a find.

Instead, we just have dead-end stories.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Did not report their discovery?

This is consistent with the so many dead-end aspects of the tales told in various versions of this story. Lead a "believer" down a rabbit hole with fascinating so-called facts, none of which can be verified due to inevitable destruction, death or placement in a place which cannot be dug.

Survey crews did not report the discovery of dead soldiers. Ok, if not reported, how is this even known?

Jack burned the wagons so they would not be discovered? Jack gave local presentations on the story. Jack claimed to have found a wagon wheel and trace. Never mentioned burning anything. Can't ask Jack now, he's gone. Loggers in the area were also known to use wagons which were likely pulled by mule teams which could handle the heavy work. The parts Jack or sgtfda claim to have found are no more proven Union payroll wagon train than they are remnants of the logging industry.

Treasure buried with the LT? This is a classic taken from the 1966 Spaghetti Western The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, with the loot being buried in Arch Stanton's grave. Can't find the LTs grave with a headstone and certainly can't dig it up.

Jack was interviewed in-depth in 2002. He openly admitted in the interview of repeatedly "buying more beer" for the old man who allegedly found the gold and kept him coming back for the beer and to tell more stories. Jack's gone. The alleged old man is likely gone.

Jack had planned to have his book up for sale in the Summer of 2003. It was said to include the tantalizing tales that kept him looking.

If Jack found gold, you can bet he would have been sharing this in the interview and in his book. He wouldn't be writing about tales that kept him looking. He would be writing about the facts which led him to a find.

Instead, we just have dead-end stories.

All search and no treasure make jack an unhappy camper 😢

 

[releventchair]

[Well, the poets tell how Pancho fell
Lefty's living in a cheap hotel
The desert's quiet, Cleveland's cold
So the story ends, we're told]

 

[3cylbill]

Did not report their discovery?

This is consistent with the so many dead-end aspects of the tales told in various versions of this story. Lead a "believer" down a rabbit hole with fascinating so-called facts, none of which can be verified due to inevitable destruction, death or placement in a place which cannot be dug.

Survey crews did not report the discovery of dead soldiers. Ok, if not reported, how is this even known?

Jack burned the wagons so they would not be discovered? Jack gave local presentations on the story. Jack claimed to have found a wagon wheel and trace. Never mentioned burning anything. Can't ask Jack now, he's gone. Loggers in the area were also known to use wagons which were likely pulled by mule teams which could handle the heavy work. The parts Jack or sgtfda claim to have found are no more proven Union payroll wagon train than they are remnants of the logging industry.

Treasure buried with the LT? This is a classic taken from the 1966 Spaghetti Western The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, with the loot being buried in Arch Stanton's grave. Can't find the LTs grave with a headstone and certainly can't dig it up.

Jack was interviewed in-depth in 2002. He openly admitted in the interview of repeatedly "buying more beer" for the old man who allegedly found the gold and kept him coming back for the beer and to tell more stories. Jack's gone. The alleged old man is likely gone.

Jack had planned to have his book up for sale in the Summer of 2003. It was said to include the tantalizing tales that kept him looking.

If Jack found gold, you can bet he would have been sharing this in the interview and in his book. He wouldn't be writing about tales that kept him looking. He would be writing about the facts which led him to a find.

Instead, we just have dead-end stories.

All your misdirection doesn't change the fact that after 8 years the fbi is still stonewalling finders keepers... why is that....?

 

[diamonddave]

fbi is still stonewalling finders keepers...

Not sure if you are up to speed on this. The investigation ended 8 years ago. FK was among the first to know that nothing was found even before the site operation ended. That is not stonewalling.