Folks I think I?ve had it really, America as we knew it gone, I?d like to pack it up

[newnan man]

I am a Florida native. I love it here. Hot, yes but I prefer it over cold. Dad moved us to Columbus Ohio when we were kids. Ohio nice May through October then it sucks. I moved back to Florida in 83 & will retire next year. I live on an island 3 blocks from the beach, paradise. Small town, great neighbors, but I worked hard all my life to get here. Please don't move here as we are getting to full. Agree with Treasure Hunter that people fleeing the hell holes up north come here and say hey this is great, no snow low taxes lots of work and fun things to do. Then they vote for the same kind of idiots that ruined their states up north! That's it I'll get off my soapbox.

 

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"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"

Like everywhere... Florida has its "pros and cons".

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Just my two-cents worth from Canada... Canada's universal healthcare system is paid for through our taxes. With Canada's healthcare you don't have to pay for most health-care services. All of the provinces and territories will provide free emergency medical services, even if you don't have a government health card. But, if you're considering moving to Canada as a permanent resident, it can take several months for your health care benefits to kick in. It's a good idea to arrive with at least six months of international health insurance as a buffer. You may want to find out which Canadian province has the longest walk-in clinic wait-times. Cities in Canada are modern, smart clean and relatively safe. A big attraction for many immigrants, while they may enjoy the great outdoors, also like the urban convenience. Canada's cities are spacious, well designed and easy to get around in. You can easily live in a suburban house and commute to work.

Victoria, British Columbia holds the title for the warmest city in Canada during the winter. Daily average highs reach 48F and nightly lows only drop to around 39F. Average annual snowfall is low at 9F. Victoria only has one day per year where the temperature will drop below 32F. See pic below.

What are the advantages of living in Canada?

Canada boasts a strong employment market.
Free provincial healthcare is another positive.
Canada is a diverse multi-cultural melting pot.
Low crime rate.
Great social programs.
Excellent educational system.
Abundance of natural resources, beaches and parks.
The Great Outdoors really is great.

 

[pepperj]

Oh the euphoric feeling of a 2 week holiday to the paradise spot. Oh how lovely, just beautiful, oh I want to move here......oh, oh, the euphoric feeling of the trouble free vacation.

I think a good many have felt this once or many times in life-myself included. It can come when one travels-Oh Bali was one-paradise in many ways-FL was another-the thought of having another place to hang out.
Looked around, kicked the tires, thought about it, from home-to class A type of thing.

Oh the euphoric feeling of the holiday....makes one think the grass is greener.

A city is a city no matter where that city is in this world it seems. I figured that out 30 yrs or more ago while living in the city.

Every place has it's problems-yet every place has it's benefits also.

Most problems are resolved with oneself-not relocation-can't go someplace else and have a different reflection in the mirror.
Basically many have tried running from themselves and it basically ends up being the same story in the end-no matter how far they move.

Yet it's a lot easier to be satisfied finally with what we have than what we want it seems.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I had a roommate who was from Canada, he hated their health care because of the wait time, his father needed surgery and got tired of waiting and came to America to get the surgery he needed. The only part of the health care he liked was the cost of prescriptions.


"Fraser Institute News Release: Canada’s health-care wait times hit 22.6 weeks in 2020—longest ever recorded
December 10, 2020 05:00 ET
| Source: Fraser Institute




VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Dec. 10, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Canadian patients waited longer than ever this year for medical treatment, finds a new study released today by the Fraser Institute, an independent, non-partisan Canadian public policy think-tank.

The study, an annual survey of physicians from across Canada, reports a median wait time of 22.6 weeks—the longest ever recorded—and 143 per cent higher than the 9.3 weeks Canadians waited in 1993, when national estimates of the wait for medically necessary elective treatments were first calculated.

Before this year, the longest recorded median wait time was 21.2 weeks in 2017.

“Excessively long wait times remain a defining characteristic of Canada’s health-care system,” said Bacchus Barua, associate director of the Fraser Institute’s Centre for Health Policy Studies and co-author of Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2020. “While this year’s reported wait times have been undoubtedly influenced by the ongoing pandemic, historical data suggests they are also the result of decades of policy inertia.”

The study examines the total wait time faced by patients across 12 medical specialties from referral by a general practitioner (i.e. family doctor) to consultation with a specialist, to when the patient ultimately receives treatment.

Among the provinces, Ontario recorded the shortest wait time at 17.4 weeks—up from 16 weeks in 2019. Prince Edward Island recorded the longest wait time in Canada at 46.5 weeks.

Among the various specialties, national wait times were longest between a referral by a GP and ophthalmology surgery (34.1 weeks) and shortest for medical oncology (4.2 weeks).

Crucially, physicians report that their patients are waiting more than four weeks longer for treatment (after seeing a specialist) than what they consider to be clinically reasonable.

This year, the COVID-19 pandemic impacted the survey’s response rate, but more than one-in-ten physicians surveyed across the country still participated, with more than 1,200 responses. Further, almost three decades of pre-COVID data confirm that wait times in Canada are not just long but have gotten progressively worse.

“Long wait times aren’t simply minor inconveniences, they can result in increased suffering for patients, lost productivity at work, a decreased quality of life, and in the worst cases, disability or death,” Barua said.

“While combatting COVID-19 certainly requires our immediate attention, we should also work towards returning to a better-normal - with shorter wait times - once the pandemic is over.”

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...22-6-weeks-in-2020-longest-ever-recorded.html

 

[davest]

my three cents worth from Floriduh. Don't move here. It's crowded, the cities smell like diesel fumes due to heat inversions and way too many tourists driving around looking for the nearest walmart, Olive Garden and free parking. The state is either drowning due to sea level rise or asking us to drink toilet to tap water due to way too much development and all the new development looks the same. A Chilis, a fast food joint, bass pro, walmart, target, an adult book store, thousands of condos, and a bunch of traffic lights to beat the other guy to.Too many of those tourists do bring their views with them and if you look back to about 1983 forward, you'll see what views they bring along.

If you decide to come here anyway, look out for alligators, pythons, flesh eating bacteria, sun poisoning, stingrays, red tide, algae blooms, chinese drywall, hurricanes, tropical storms and the speed traps in Waldo. and toll roads(buy the SunPass. That way you won't get rear ended while counting out quarters) Get used to people rolling their eyes when you tell them how great it was "up north" and how you did things there. If living on a boat is your dream, well bucko, grab your wallet and hang on tight cause the marinas are full, the mechanics are booked up, and the prices for dock fees are outasight. But the water does have a certain ambiance after a raft of dead mullet float to the surface.

I can't add anything more to that except, remember to book that U-haul for the trip back .

 

[pepperj]

I had a roommate who was from Canada, he hated their health care because of the wait time, his father needed surgery and got tired of waiting and came to America to get the surgery he needed. The only part of the health care he liked was the cost of prescriptions.


"Fraser Institute News Release: Canada’s health-care wait times hit 22.6 weeks in 2020—longest ever recorded
December 10, 2020 05:00 ET
| Source: Fraser Institute




VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Dec. 10, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Canadian patients waited longer than ever this year for medical treatment, finds a new study released today by the Fraser Institute, an independent, non-partisan Canadian public policy think-tank.

The study, an annual survey of physicians from across Canada, reports a median wait time of 22.6 weeks—the longest ever recorded—and 143 per cent higher than the 9.3 weeks Canadians waited in 1993, when national estimates of the wait for medically necessary elective treatments were first calculated.

Before this year, the longest recorded median wait time was 21.2 weeks in 2017.

“Excessively long wait times remain a defining characteristic of Canada’s health-care system,” said Bacchus Barua, associate director of the Fraser Institute’s Centre for Health Policy Studies and co-author of Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2020. “While this year’s reported wait times have been undoubtedly influenced by the ongoing pandemic, historical data suggests they are also the result of decades of policy inertia.”

The study examines the total wait time faced by patients across 12 medical specialties from referral by a general practitioner (i.e. family doctor) to consultation with a specialist, to when the patient ultimately receives treatment.

Among the provinces, Ontario recorded the shortest wait time at 17.4 weeks—up from 16 weeks in 2019. Prince Edward Island recorded the longest wait time in Canada at 46.5 weeks.

Among the various specialties, national wait times were longest between a referral by a GP and ophthalmology surgery (34.1 weeks) and shortest for medical oncology (4.2 weeks).

Crucially, physicians report that their patients are waiting more than four weeks longer for treatment (after seeing a specialist) than what they consider to be clinically reasonable.

This year, the COVID-19 pandemic impacted the survey’s response rate, but more than one-in-ten physicians surveyed across the country still participated, with more than 1,200 responses. Further, almost three decades of pre-COVID data confirm that wait times in Canada are not just long but have gotten progressively worse.

“Long wait times aren’t simply minor inconveniences, they can result in increased suffering for patients, lost productivity at work, a decreased quality of life, and in the worst cases, disability or death,” Barua said.

“While combatting COVID-19 certainly requires our immediate attention, we should also work towards returning to a better-normal - with shorter wait times - once the pandemic is over.”

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...22-6-weeks-in-2020-longest-ever-recorded.html

Right now there's 354 thousand surgical procedures backlogged in Ontario alone.
From being on the medical hampster wheel for 4 decades it comes down to who you know.
If your Dr. Knows more like it, some referrals take nearly a year to see a specialist.
Then again once on the hamster wheel things move along pretty well.
See TH the main thing is if one has a medical emergency say a major event/accident/heart blows a valve, we get fixed and go home. Our hospital bill is taken care of-where as we don't need to worry about the hospitals taking our home to cover the bill.
Not perfect in many ways, but the squeaks get greased if one knows the system.

Query: Room mate-must been a few moons ago......

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

More than just my room mate, have friends who are from Canada who visit us and same issue. They hate the wait. Waiting a year to see a specialist is not for me, they can keep their National Health Service medicine programs. I perfer being able to see a doctor with out waiting months and months and months.
"Almost 5 million people in England are waiting for hospital treatment, and more than 400,000 have already seen their surgery delayed for at least a year, NHS figures reveal.

Doctors warned that the huge numbers were “stomach-churning” and showed that Covid’s disruption of normal care had left patients in pain, agony and fear about their health"

“Following the most difficult year many of us have ever faced, we are now heading into another crisis – the number of people on waiting lists at record levels, coupled with exhausted doctors,” said Dr Rob Harwood, the chair of the British Medical Association’s consultants committee.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...iting-list-numbers-in-england-hit-record-high

 

[GoDeep]

Waiting a year to see a specialist is not for me, they can keep their National Health Service medicine programs.

This is an interesting take, you point out how "bad" British health care is, but don't point out how bad American healthcare is? I realize you are happy with your health care, but you do realize that many in the USA do not share your experience? We consistently rank lower in many categories of health care then other developed countries. Parsing out "specialist" wait times is misleading. First, specialists aren't required for most hospital visits and second, in countries that the wait is long (like the Netherlands, which consistently rates as some of the best healthcare overall), if it's an emergency, you get in right away.

Nearly 30 million people in America have no insurance at all and another 100 million catastrophic or high deductible insurance only, and will never get to see that specialist! Crushing deductibles means any non catastrophic health care (which makes up the majority of all health care) they pay out of pocket, that combined with excessive prescription costs and high insurance costs makes it untenable for many.

Most all medical is non emergency and involves simply getting prescriptions, checkups and other non life threatening illnesses. I spoke to two Canadians who came down to buy a car from me. They said they love the health care there as they can just walk in and walk out, no bill, no nothing. They said major medical is a concern, but said many Canadians also can afford to carry a separate policy for major medical since since they aren't paying thousands of dollars a year for health care and prescriptions and deductibles.

How does American Medical stack up to other countries? Spoiler, at or near the bottom of most industrialized nations:

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[T.C.]

Hola Amigo

Well what ever decision you come to you will not be impeding of the lives of other family members. So in that respect you have nothing to lose. However I suggest a long term plan to make sure where you end up in view of one day age and health might factor in not being able to work at all?

I do not know of your financial situation in regards to owning or renting. Each one can have problems but renting in old age is dam site harder still especially if you need to work to pay the rent. I think you should factor those things in in whatever decision to make.

Kanacki

Our home has been paid for since I retired in 2013. We still pay rent...property taxes to the state of Orygun.

 

[Megalodon]

Our home has been paid for since I retired in 2013. We still pay rent...property taxes to the state of Orygun.

Where investment income, capital gains and dividends, is taxed by the state, those states, such as mine, can't find ways to spend their windfalls fast enough so they are cutting property tax rates. Of course, assessments are up, so its about a net wash.

 

[pepperj]

Our home has been paid for since I retired in 2013. We still pay rent...property taxes to the state of Orygun.

Yes, many are mortgage free, but not tax free.
By the time the item is used/ consumed what did it take to earn that actual amount paid for the item....

Scarey

Death and taxes that a sure thing we all have in common it seems, no way of avoiding either, it will catch up with us all in the future.
I always found Oregon in the 10 top list to live if I had to choose.

 

[newnan man]

Here in Florida the insurance for homes is out of control. They blame storms but greed and corruption are as much or more to blame. Weak insurance officials in the back pocket of greedy insurance companies. The beat goes on.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No politics in General Discussion forum, consider this a warning.

 

[davest]

sticking to taxes only, I found this to be interesting, especially when property taxes, homeowner insurance, automobile insurance . and healthcare costs are on the rise.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/federal-corporate-tax-rate/

The 55 U.S. corporations that paid no federal corporate income tax last year have spent a combined $450 million on political campaign contributions and lobbying—including for lower taxes—according to a report published Wednesday by the progressive advocacy group Public Citizen.

"Using Uncle Sam's money to lobby against paying taxes is the perfect embodiment of how Washington works." —Mike Tanglis, Public Citizen

The report, entitled The Price of Zero, cites figures from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy showing that at least 55 U.S. corporations avoided paying any corporate income tax in 2020 on a combined pretax income of $40.5 billion.

"Had these companies paid a tax rate of 21%—the current federal rate—they would have owed the federal government $8.5 billion," the report notes. "Not only did these companies not pay taxes, but nearly all also got money back from the government, receiving $3.5 billion in tax rebates, bringing the total 2020 tax giveaways for these 55 companies to $12 billion."

One would think paying a fair share would be the right thing to do, but hey somebody gotta by the Lambos. Again, this is not a political post nor is it meant to be.

 

[GoDeep]

sticking to taxes only, I found this to be interesting, especially when property taxes, homeowner insurance, automobile insurance . and healthcare costs are on the rise.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/federal-corporate-tax-rate/

The 55 U.S. corporations that paid no federal corporate income tax last year have spent a combined $450 million on political campaign contributions and lobbying—including for lower taxes—according to a report published Wednesday by the progressive advocacy group Public Citizen.

"Using Uncle Sam's money to lobby against paying taxes is the perfect embodiment of how Washington works." —Mike Tanglis, Public Citizen

The report, entitled The Price of Zero, cites figures from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy showing that at least 55 U.S. corporations avoided paying any corporate income tax in 2020 on a combined pretax income of $40.5 billion.

"Had these companies paid a tax rate of 21%—the current federal rate—they would have owed the federal government $8.5 billion," the report notes. "Not only did these companies not pay taxes, but nearly all also got money back from the government, receiving $3.5 billion in tax rebates, bringing the total 2020 tax giveaways for these 55 companies to $12 billion."

One would think paying a fair share would be the right thing to do, but hey somebody gotta by the Lambos. Again, this is not a political post nor is it meant to be.

You are dead on, and it's not about "we (corporations) need lower taxes or we can't compete with the Chinese or we won't make a profit".

We, the little guy, which is EVERYONE on this forum that i know of, are supporting everything, meanwhile, corporations are accumulating the lions share of the wealth, all the while paying little to no taxes.

While tax policies have handed corporations lower and lower tax rates, their profits have soared, it's even worse then this chart indicates as this chart is only through 2011,

 

[Megalodon]

sticking to taxes only, I found this to be interesting, especially when property taxes, homeowner insurance, automobile insurance . and healthcare costs are on the rise.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/federal-corporate-tax-rate/

The 55 U.S. corporations that paid no federal corporate income tax last year have spent a combined $450 million on political campaign contributions and lobbying?including for lower taxes?according to a report published Wednesday by the progressive advocacy group Public Citizen.

"Using Uncle Sam's money to lobby against paying taxes is the perfect embodiment of how Washington works." ?Mike Tanglis, Public Citizen

The report, entitled The Price of Zero, cites figures from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy showing that at least 55 U.S. corporations avoided paying any corporate income tax in 2020 on a combined pretax income of $40.5 billion.

"Had these companies paid a tax rate of 21%?the current federal rate?they would have owed the federal government $8.5 billion," the report notes. "Not only did these companies not pay taxes, but nearly all also got money back from the government, receiving $3.5 billion in tax rebates, bringing the total 2020 tax giveaways for these 55 companies to $12 billion."

One would think paying a fair share would be the right thing to do, but hey somebody gotta by the Lambos. Again, this is not a political post nor is it meant to be.

When you add up the direct subsidies purchased by the corporations and the public assistance in many forms provided to their low wage employees, I wonder how anyone can object to the term "corporate welfare".

 

[Megalodon]

Here in Florida the insurance for homes is out of control. They blame storms but greed and corruption are as much or more to blame. Weak insurance officials in the back pocket of greedy insurance companies. The beat goes on.

Those who attempt to regulate the profiteers soon find themselves out of a job. I've known many regulators in gov't agencies and they all know the saying "Do your job - lose your job". The saying is nearly as ubiquitous as the old soviet worker saying "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work".

 

[Tnmountains]

Tnmountains, just don't take that boat through Haulover Inlet in Miami.

Lol I watch those videos on Youtube all the time. They are great. You know I think I would have to giver her a go if I had the boat for it.

 

[Tnmountains]

Unfortunately Tennessee is full.