Heart of Stone...

Boomer-1 · Jul 23, 2009

That is awesome. How big is it?

Sheldon J · Jul 24, 2009

about this big.... BTY that is a MM scale not inch...

Kantuckkeean · Jul 25, 2009

Hi Mr. J,

Can you tell us any of the hypotheses you've heard that describe how such a fossilization event could have occured? Soft tissues are just that, soft. They don't persist long and are generally digested by microbes if not larger organisms before such an event could occur. The fact that it wasn't digested AND retained its shape.....I'm very curious. Please post all that you feel at liberty to divulge.

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

Paul4x4 · Jul 25, 2009

Kantuckkeean said:
Hi Mr. J,

Can you tell us any of the hypotheses you've heard that describe how such a fossilization event could have occured? Soft tissues are just that, soft. They don't persist long and are generally digested by microbes if not larger organisms before such an event could occur. The fact that it wasn't digested AND retained its shape.....I'm very curious. Please post all that you feel at liberty to divulge.

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

Yeah, I'm very curious too! This is getting more and more interesting... :icon_scratch:

I would also like to know the results of carbon dating tests, if there's a possibility to get it checked.

Sheldon J · Jul 25, 2009

According to some specialist their opinion was that an animal fell though the ice, and sunk to to bottom of some very cold body of watter that had a high level of mineralization, and the heart was all that survived the process.... I am waiting on a call back form a paleontologist I talked to at U of M, they said some time next week...

Kantuckkeean · Jul 25, 2009

Thanks for the reply Mr. J.

Ok. Several days ago, my wife and I had been mulling over this mystery and postulated a sacrificial ceremoney that occured millenia ago by our ancestors to halt the advance of the glaciers. The heart was tossed into a wet area, most likely a shallow sacred pond or lake that quickly froze over when a collapsing shelf of the advancing glacier covered it. Their ceremony was intended to give the sacred pond perpetual life, and protect it from the glacier. I still couldn't figure how it's 3D structure was preserved, but your scenario would help. If the scenario that you mentioned is what actually happened, I'd say that more than the heart would be petrified as well, but the other organs probably just haven't been found or recognized. I'd sure like to get my hands on the petrified brain!!

Definitely keep us posted! When the results are in, I want everyone to nominate it for the banner. :icon_thumleft:

I silently nominated it earlier, with the stipulation that it might be a hoax. :dontknow:

I'm becoming more convinced and would like to hear the results any testing that's been done. Maybe pics of the CTs if possible?

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

Sheldon J · Jul 26, 2009

A brain would indeed be most interesting, and your theory could have some merit, it would after all explain why just the heart and not the kidneys, liver, and the rest of the internal organs, but they could have been widely scattered due to glacial action.

I tried the disk from the CAT scan in my computer and apparently it requires some prosperity software that I do not posses, (sort of figured that would happen) hopefully the paleontology professor at the U of M paleontology museum (she promised to reply sometime this coming week) will wish to see the heart up close and personal, and have the software for the program and be able to give us a screen capture photo.

Kantuckkeean · Jul 27, 2009

Hi Mr. J,

What type of file is it on the computer? Perhaps I could be of assistance. I need the .xyz at the end of the file name.

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

Sheldon J · Jul 28, 2009

It's some kind of proprietary software that the Medical field uses for their CAT machines. I will get a copy of the CD and look myself, my friend and his computer Buddy tried it first and it would not do anything, I will try a file explore and see what data I can get...

fossil_femme · Aug 3, 2009

Is it April First already?
Or is every day a Fool's Day for this guy?

Sheldon J · Aug 3, 2009

Kantuckkeean said:
Hi Mr. J,

What type of file is it on the computer? Perhaps I could be of assistance. I need the .xyz at the end of the file name.

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

I Finlay got a copy of the C scan and my (old XP OS) computer apparently can read and view the files, (his is newer) however I am having problems figuring out just how to rotate and decrease the saturation levels, on my machine the image looks over exposed.... found the invert feature but that did not help but the on line help manual does have a export feature as soon as I figure out how ti works I will copy and post

Solius Symbiosus · Aug 4, 2009

It appears to be a stream worn chert pebble to me, definitely not soft tissue preservation. Take it to your local university's geology dept..

traviscounty · Aug 4, 2009

I found a potato that looks like David Hasselhoff.

Sheldon J · Aug 4, 2009

traviscounty said:
I found a potato that looks like David Hasselhoff.

Any one here remember how much that toasted cheese sandwich with the image of Jesus went for on E bay a few years back

Now think C scan confirming, Paleontologist looking at, Doctors looking at, all are very interested.... I hope to make the owner of this rock very happy when he sells it.... He is a good friend, is over due and deserves a break..

Tylocidaris · Aug 4, 2009

Sheldon J said:
Any one here remember how much that toasted cheers sandwich with the image of Jesus went for on E bay a few years back

Now think C scan confirming, Paleontologist looking at, Doctors looking at, all are very interested.... I hope to make the owner of this rock very happy when he sells it.... He is a good friend, is over due and deserves a break..

You've taken it to everyone but a geologist, and all based on a visual presumption of what it is. First, it is a rock. As Solius mentioned, take it to a local geology department. If it is being observed by a real paleontologist, they will probably consult with a geologist. Then, for the education of us all, have the Paleontologist and/or Geologist (independently) post their assessment here. It should be simple enough to verify their professional status. Otherwise, all you have provided are photos and hype that you seem to imply will generate a big sale for someone. Great claims demand great proof.

Sheldon J · Aug 4, 2009

Post no 1 welcome to the group, funny thing here, the Doctors that have seen it do not have a very high opinion of the Paleontologist, the Paleontologist do not have a very high opinion of What the Doctors and their C scan show.

We will get around to the Geologist but the key here is Paleontology for if they agree then this is one heck of a one of a kind find, at present I am waiting for the reply from the U of M Paleontology research department head. They wanted confirmation that it was not some kind of resin or plastic so we did some tests and photo documented it and at present are waiting for a reply....
I expect this will all take some time as I have only been in discovery less than two weeks, people have to be seen talked to, photos shown, object handled, examined, and it all has to be done on their schedule....

Tylocidaris said:
Sheldon J said:

Any one here remember how much that toasted cheers sandwich with the image of Jesus went for on E bay a few years back

Now think C scan confirming, Paleontologist looking at, Doctors looking at, all are very interested.... I hope to make the owner of this rock very happy when he sells it.... He is a good friend, is over due and deserves a break..

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You've taken it to everyone but a geologist, and all based on a visual presumption of what it is. First, it is a rock. As Solius mentioned, take it to a local geology department. If it is being observed by a real paleontologist, they will probably consult with a geologist. Then, for the education of us all, have the Paleontologist and/or Geologist (independently) post their assessment here. It should be simple enough to verify their professional status. Otherwise, all you have provided are photos and hype that you seem to imply will generate a big sale for someone. Great claims demand great proof.

fossil01 · Aug 4, 2009

Are you being seriously this has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of, besides seeing the Virgin Mary on grilled cheese. I cant believe everyone believes (most) that this is a fossilized heart and it sickens me to see this crap happen, especially when someone tries to make a quick buck off people who are dumb enough to believe such b.s. I should just do this for a living because it seems easy enough to make people believe anything. Plus doctors dont know anything about fossils compared to a paleontologist, who actually work with fossils for a living.

Sheldon J · Aug 4, 2009

fossil01 said:
Are you being seriously this has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of, besides seeing the Virgin Mary on grilled cheese. I cant believe everyone believes (most) that this is a fossilized heart and it sickens me to see this crap happen, especially when someone tries to make a quick buck off people who are dumb enough to believe such b.s. I should just do this for a living because it seems easy enough to make people believe anything. Plus doctors dont know anything about fossils compared to a paleontologist, who actually work with fossils for a living.

That is a rather hostile first post. No one is asking anyone to put out any cash for anything, but if you re read all the post we are working hard on authenticating it. Any hunter will tell you this looks like a heart, the doctors a couple of them were heart specialist (God I hope they know what one looks like) said it looks like a heart, the C scan showed chambers and valves just like a heart.
You sound just like a paleontologist that I know at Michigan State, he refuses to even look (can you say professional jealousy).

It has been doccumented that, tissue has fossilized, trees can petrify and under special conditions tissue can become mineralized. They all can be verified and many have to date, just no hearts have in the professional world as of yet....

Some skepticism is healthy but there is no reason to be be rude, what is so hard to believe when so many specialist have already seen it and have formulated a opinion that this is a heart?

GL · Aug 4, 2009

Bad first impressions have a way of lasting.

Harry Pristis · Aug 4, 2009

GL said:
Bad first impressions have a way of lasting.

I agree, 'GL' -- once you establish yourself as delusional or as a hoaxer, it's impossible to get people to take you seriously. That's why scientists are cautious about their published opinions. It is the nature of scientific inquiry that there will be critics and contrary opinions. It's more about credibility, less about civility.