Heart of Stone...

[micropterus101]

Harry You are mistaken. I showed my fossil nipple to my wifes mamorologist and she confirmed it was a fossil nipple, most likely from kennewick mans mate since I found it near the columbia river next to keniwick mans testicles. Here is a pic of the opposite side showing the internal mammery gland structure below.

P.S Please dont tell anybody I found kenniwick mans testes I dont want to get involved in the whole is he white or is he native argument. though maybe I could make millions possibly having proof he was white?

anyways back to the nipple.

 

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[micropterus101]

Sheldon

The preservation of that heart is so amazing! So well preserved that the hemaglobin within the bloodcells appears to still metabolize oxygen as evidenced by the healthy pinkish color. There is truly no other fossil like it in the whole wide world! maybe not even in the whole wide universe! It must have been preserved in an oxygen rich enviroment which is even more amazing considering typically things deterorate faster in the presents of oxygen. Truly this is a puzzle of the ages. You may hold the key to immortality in your hands! Dont listen to these guys who say its not a fossil. What do they know, they just studied fossils for several years. Doctors of course can do no harm they are sworn to help people and if they lied to you they damaged your mental faculties and could be sued for malpractice. So either way your in the money. Well anyways live the dream man live the dream.
Wow! A whole heart, all I can find is nipples and testes . Maybe someday I will luck out and find a liver or even better fossilized lungs!

If you do head back to the area where this heart was found and find another one I would gladly trade you my nipple for one. I wont trade with Harry anymore he's just making fun of me.

 

[Harry Pristis]

Harry You are mistaken. I showed my fossil nipple to my wifes mamorologist and she confirmed it was a fossil nipple, most likely from kennewick mans mate since I found it near the columbia river next to keniwick mans testicles. Here is a pic of the opposite side showing the internal mammery gland structure below.

P.S Please dont tell anybody I found kenniwick mans testes I dont want to get involved in the whole is he white or is he native argument. though maybe I could make millions possibly having proof he was white?

anyways back to the nipple.

I have to eat crow here. Clearly, Bassman, your object IS a petrified nipple. If a mamorologist says so, who am I to disagree. (Do you have to go to college to become a mamorologist?)

In all fairness, you didn't tell me that your wife's expert had already identified the nipple, nor did you provide an image of the reverse which clearly shows the mammary structure. (Men don't have those structures - ducts and lobules and such.) Nonetheless, you're correct, and I'm wrong.

Sooo . . . There is a Kenniwick Man and now a Kenniwick Woman! I think you should keep your suite of fossils together, with good documentation. If you don't want to get caught up in the Kenniwick Man controversy now, maybe your heirs will be able to sell the fossils on eBay in a few decades.

It's a remarkable thing -- all these soft-tissue fossils, including John's T. rex eyeball, that have eluded professionals all these decades, are right here on this forum! Perhaps the Internet will usher in a new way of seeing the possible.

You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus.
---Mark Twain​

 

[Sheldon J]

Harry,
I will trade you a fossil nipple for your fossil testicle.

You are pullin' my leg now, bassman . . . darn it! Why does no one take my brass testicle seriously! Don't you believe my urologist who has been to college and is state licensed? He is a DIPLOMATE of the American Board of Urology, for pity's sake! He has more experience with testicles than I care to think about!

Anyone can see, bassman, that your object is NOT a nipple. It's clearly a petrified eyeball. I'm gonna' show your image to my dermatologist (who also has been to college), and I'd bet that he'll agree with me. If not, there are other dermatologists in town. It's just a matter of visualizing these rare-to-nonexistent fossils. Some people don't have the vision and others do have visions.

Now we're doin' some science!!

OK you guys Hiliary called and she wants her body parts back... (yeah her heart too..)

 

[Tylocidaris]

OK you guys Hiliary called and she wants her body parts back... (yeah her heart too..)

Now Sheldon, that's stone cold....

 

[fossil_femme]

OK you guys Hiliary called and she wants her body parts back... (yeah her heart too..)

that's just plain mean. have a heart, sheldon.

 

[Harry Pristis]

We've had some hearty laughs over the course of this thread. Thanks, guys!

 

[micropterus101]

Harry,

No sweat man. I should have provided all the information at once. I was in a hurry looking for my testes to take a picture for the forum to see. My wifes Mammorologist has a Associates degree from Bremerton community college in expressive arts. So yes she is well educated and apparently has a good eye for fossils since My first thought was a fossil nipple too.
Yes this is amazing that all these soft tissue rarity's have surface here. Maybe these fossils are not as rare as previously thought? With more people comming forward with there fossil hearts, nipples, and testes maybe we can donate and have a museum dedicated to soft tissue fossilization!
Selling the testes on ebay is tempting but until I find a better example of fossilized testes the pair I have will stay in my collection.
Keep on fossilin!

 

[traviscounty]

I'm really glad you guys got to the heart of the matter.

 

[Sheldon J]

... That's why scientists are cautious about their published opinions. It is the nature of scientific inquiry that there will be critics and contrary opinions. It's more about credibility, less about civility.

Sheldon, I'm glad to hear you will check with the UM paleontologists. Meanwhile, like I said before, you're still at square one. You still don't know what you have (in spite of some very well informed assistance by others here). The opinions of the cardiologist, radiologist, CT operator, and all their certifications and licenses hold less water than some of the detailed info you've been given by some here, in my opinion. In your 30 years as a Fire Marshall, I feel certain you ran into numerous highly educated individuals (complete with licenses and certs) that didn't have a clue regarding fire safety (even though they all had some prior experience with fire). Same deal; you were the expert, they weren't.

I really hope this never comes up for sale....we'll see.

John

What can I say when you are right you are right... although they did give us some inspiration to continue onward we need to have the proper specialist give an unbiased look, preform what ever non destructive test they may, and give us a opinion pertaining to their field of expertise. Talking about onward latest information is that I received a e mail from the UM Paleontologist and although they are somewhat skeptical as to just what then may or may not be a fossil of, they are open minded and willing to look, a huge step in my opinion.

Much of their staff is out on expeditions and will be back sometime in September. I basically replied that we are at their beck and call and will show up at their connivance, my only request was that they give us a few days heads up first, and we will be there with bells on....
So until then we all can speculate and give opinions to our hearts (sorry for the pun) content....

 

[Sheldon J]

OK you guys Hiliary called and she wants her body parts back... (yeah her heart too..)

Now Sheldon, that's stone cold....

I full heartily agree she is indeed one stone cold gal..... (I wonder how long we can keep the pun parade up...)

 

[Solius Symbiosus]

Sheldon, You have my heartfelt sympathy for what you have had to put up with.

GG~

Sometimes, the truth isn't pleasant, or what one wished for...

 

[Sheldon J]

true n update M still waiting on the U of M people seems that they found a Mastodon skeleton on a local golf course a few weeks back n they got to go do the dig. Interesting story the grounds keeper found a tooth n recognized it, did the correct thing and left the area alone and contacted them, so they are tied up for a bit according to the news story there may be a complete sekleton... maybe they will be done by the time I get back from Korea in Ocotber.....

 

[Beuwulf]

Hello to all,
Looks like a very unique albeit controversial find/claim. It may be beneficial to the cause if a medical illustration of a heart (similar to your find) were provided. A direct comparison could then be made at least of the general external shape as well as of arterial connection and other points that should be apparent.
Mark up a pic showing the two, compare what is exactly the same and things that are not. It may help to clarify important attributes of your find.
A word concerning the 'Professionals' It has been my personal experience the professionals the pubic relies on to determine what something is or to authenticate a specimen or claim often have no interest or motivation to do so. There are varied reasons for this which often involves money (contributions) or the lack of as well as politics on a grand scale. More importantly there may be personal reasons. These folks want to make the find themselves and not pay second fiddle to some lucky armature or novice collector. After all they want to make a contribution to the quarterly journal report once in a while and that always involves a dig and a find.
Not to add skepticism but I have also seen with my own eyes a "professional" examine something that clearly looked like duck, sounded like a duck even came from a ducks nest but in his eyes it was not a duck. To this day I am still totally amazed that this trained professional wanted nothing to do with an item that he had been schooled in many years to be able to recognize, and qualify as a bonified artifact, but because that type of thing had never been recognized in these parts before by default it could not exists here...

I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your journey!

PS: this is not my first post but have not posted in quit some time so it appears the counter was reset back to 1

 

[goldseeker1982]

What a fascinating find. Any update?

 

[Harry Pristis]

What a fascinating find. Any update?

Thanks for asking. *sigh* I've had to accept the unpleasant truth . . . my fossil is not what I wished it to be. I am heart-broken!

Instead of a scientifically-astounding whale testis, I've had to accept that my fossil is more likely to be a crinoid float. Here it is with labels.

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[Tylocidaris]

Harry,

Call BR549. The specialist that will answer the phone can surgically remove your tougue from your cheek. I hate to say it, but you were warned it could get stuck there under extended circumstances.....

 

[goldseeker1982]

What a fascinating find. Any update?

Thanks for asking. *sigh* I've had to accept the unpleasant truth . . . my fossil is not what I wished it to be. I am heart-broken!

Instead of a scientifically-astounding whale testis, I've had to accept that my fossil is more likely to be a crinoid float. Here it is with labels.

​

Bummer dude. My heart bleeds for you.

 

[Tylocidaris]

Wow, are there some meanies on this board or what??
Not sure it is a heart, but I can damn sure state that a CT scan can look inside mineralized objects and structure can be seen (just as was stated about dino eggs with embryo intact)... How much of a coincidence is it that internally it has structures/valves/etc as that of a heart?

No one has suggested that a CT scan cannot "look" inside "mineralized" objects. As previously stated, many rocks have "internal" structures that are characteristics of their geologic origin (ask any seasoned rockhound or geologist). So, strike one.

Also, for all of you that have done your best to embarrass the guy with your "MD's know squat, Paleontologists know everything" statements, all I can say is this.. I have seen many, many, instances of famous Paleo's creating a complete skeleton and even having drawings made up of humans and animals from nothing more than a few bone fragments... They are one of the largest groups of scientists that, when they believe something existed, will use even the slightest "facts" to support their hypothesis, but if they dont feel it is real, the quickest to say "it couldnt be"...

Pick Your Analogy 101: "I have seen many, many instances of" engineers screw up projects they were quite vocal about.... However, that doesn't indict all engineers - some designed the machine you are reading on right now.... Strike two.

And lastly, for those mentioned above, if you thnk that only bone can become fossils, how do you explain fossilized sh*t? I believe they refer to them as "copralites".... Yes, Paleontologists say they are fossilized poop. Now if crap can fossilize, why not a heart in the perfect conditions?
Poop, in any form, is one of the fastest degrading things there is..

I don't think that anyone suggested that only bone could mineralize. Soft organs can be preserved under certain conditions, but this isn't one of them. Oh, and poop isn't necessarily very fast at degrading - hence the coprolites. Strike three.

Any of us should check our facts before we start talking...crap.

Keep us posted please...

 

[Tylocidaris]

Sadly, your reasoning is not consistent. I wasn't trying to "flame", rather point out that your previous comments were summarily just "begging the question". You are consistent in that. I don't have to "prove" that it is NOT a heart. It remains a cool rock until someone definitively proves that it is one...kinda reminds me of the logic problems in religion, too.

I never slammed Sheldon...I just disagreed with him. There is a difference. So, apparently, we disagree, too.

John