HELP IDENTIFYING THESE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boogeyman]

That's a lot of amateur Forensic geological experience wow@@@

And all that is offered for free!

 

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[jaybreezy58]

One of my favorite things about these kinds of threads, is that folks will come here asking for "help" and then completely ignore our "help", and tell us exactly what they think they are.

well , sir, you're projecting. I'm not discounting anything anyone has said. Now, you can try to be witty with your reply to put me down, but i can assure you i dont fall down. I respect everyones comments. I truly do, however i wasnt putting this thread up in hopes of hearing something i wanted to hear. I knew there would be a combination of something or 1 more than the other. I am merely stating that the area i am/was in was inhabited by praying indians for thousands of years at the foot of a blue hill. Now you can google ponkapoag if you'd like so you can getter better grasp of the geographical location in which i speak of or just offer another 2 cents to make yourself feel better about yourself. Maybe my pictures werent that great but my gut tells me there is something about this particular stone that is different than the rest. Thats all im saying Sir

 

[jaybreezy58]

Send it off to a good artifact grading Co. They will stamp it with Authentic or reproduction. I sent off 5 items i knew for sure were made by Native Americans, i also posted them here for some feed back wile i waited for the return of my artifact's. I think 1 or 2 members said they did not think they looked right my heart sank a little because i paid a boat load for them. Well i got my artifacts back with paperwork it mentioned museum quality but reproductions on all items.

when you say reproductions are you implying the stone is not real or ..i am somewhat confused as to what the reference means but i understand your statement as a whole. Thank you for taking the time to reply !

 

[jaybreezy58]

Still rocks...still bullheaded.

says Captain Bucklebuck over here. You must be a forensic geologist.

 

[jaybreezy58]

well... you can lead a horse to water....

you can...but it depends if the horse already drank, plans on drinking or will drink or if there is actually water where you're leading said horse. I know, so many variables.

 

[jaybreezy58]

Amateur? We have a lot of members who have been finding and studying Indian artifacts for well over 50 years.

If you are taking your rocks to historical societies it is no wonder you are misguided, historical societies know next to nothing about Indian artifacts.

There are lots of Indian artifact shows held all over the country, I am sure there are some held close to you, take your rocks to one and see what they tell you about them, but when they tell you they are just rocks, try not to insult them by calling them amateurs.

Check this link out and you will see the years of experience by members.

Years Of Experience Collecting Native American Artifacts

Thread is for information only, trying to get total years experience of forum. How many years experience collecting Native American artifacts do you have? I will start off, I started collecting in 1981 when I found my first point in a corn field. Please end post with total years. 39 years.

www.treasurenet.com

Im not questioning those that do not need to be questioned. Not all historical society employees are morons. I happen to live and grew up in a town that requires very qualified people to keep up with preserving OUR american history.

 

[jaybreezy58]

The only problem is he'll find all the other people who also incorrectly believe what they have are man made artifacts.

Search world-renowned museums' collections. Most of the top museums have searchable collections online. You will not find any that match your rocks...because they're just rocks.

Thank you Uncle!

 

[jaybreezy58]

I don't know what the big fascination with rocks are lately?

A lot of people in here have them in their heads

 

[jaybreezy58]

Maaaaaaaaaaybe the one on the pencil, I can see how some could look like removals, but if they are they’ve been heavily mineralized and I don’t see enough or any real purpose. Also not really sure any of the material is correct for stone tools

some are sandstone.

 

[Mine Shaft]

when you say reproductions are you implying the stone is not real or ..i am somewhat confused as to what the reference means but i understand your statement as a whole. Thank you for taking the time to reply !

Hi Jay what i am referring to is whether or not it is a "authentic artifact" made to look like the real thing. mine were made by modern hands.

 

[Older The Better]

some are sandstone.

That’s what I’m saying aside from a grinding stone, sandstone isn’t a tool material, it doesn’t chip in a predictable manner like flint/quartz, it doesn’t form a sharp edge when broken, and it’s not durable… if sandstone appears chipped it’s not intentional.

 

[RustyRelics]

well , sir, you're projecting. I'm not discounting anything anyone has said. Now, you can try to be witty with your reply to put me down, but i can assure you i dont fall down. I respect everyones comments. I truly do, however i wasnt putting this thread up in hopes of hearing something i wanted to hear. I knew there would be a combination of something or 1 more than the other. I am merely stating that the area i am/was in was inhabited by praying indians for thousands of years at the foot of a blue hill. Now you can google ponkapoag if you'd like so you can getter better grasp of the geographical location in which i speak of or just offer another 2 cents to make yourself feel better about yourself. Maybe my pictures werent that great but my gut tells me there is something about this particular stone that is different than the rest. Thats all im saying Sir

And I can find clad coins at the oldest house sites in North America. It doesn't make the coins colonial.

 

[newnan man]

Actually, no one was putting you down and the few very mild "snide" comments were not made until you insisted 3-4 times you had an artifact and not a rock after asking for our opinions. All of us would have picked it up and examined it if we found it, then realized it was just a rock.

 

[dognose]

There are relic shows in your neck of the woods. You may have to take a road trip to get to one.

check out Indian Artifact Collectors Association of the North East which is a member of the Central States Archaeological Societies

Indian Artifact Collectors Association of the North East (IACANE) was started in 1979 and is an organization of Indian artifact collectors from the states of Pennsylvania, New York, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Virginia, West Virginia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Maine.

You do not need to be a CSASI or ICANE member to attend a show, but being a member does get you the CSASI journal four times a year, any local newsletters with information on relics. These shows and publications can be great learning aids for both novice and more experienced collectors and relic hunters.

Education on your hobby is time well spent and worth any time and funds. You can meet others with similar interests and make lifelong friends.

 

[Hbot37]

I am not sure about your items, they mostly look like natural stone to me. What I can say though, is that all of the historical societies I have dealt with are typically only worried about things from the time of written American history, aka white people history. Their knowledge of indigenous people rarely extends past knowing the name of the tribes that were originally in the area. I would not ever trust a local historical society to verify authenticity of a Native American artifact, they simply do not have the expertise.

 

[unclemac]

good point, they are interested in VERY local and more recent history.

 

[jaybreezy58]

I am not sure about your items, they mostly look like natural stone to me. What I can say though, is that all of the historical societies I have dealt with are typically only worried about things from the time of written American history, aka white people history. Their knowledge of indigenous people rarely extends past knowing the name of the tribes that were originally in the area. I would not ever trust a local historical society to verify authenticity of a Native American artifact, they simply do not have the expertise.

I'm slowly finding out through everyone's comments that this is the case. You'd figure that they'd be well versed in all aspects

 

[jaybreezy58]

There are relic shows in your neck of the woods. You may have to take a road trip to get to one.

check out Indian Artifact Collectors Association of the North East which is a member of the Central States Archaeological Societies

Indian Artifact Collectors Association of the North East (IACANE) was started in 1979 and is an organization of Indian artifact collectors from the states of Pennsylvania, New York, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Virginia, West Virginia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Maine.

You do not need to be a CSASI or ICANE member to attend a show, but being a member does get you the CSASI journal four times a year, any local newsletters with information on relics. These shows and publications can be great learning aids for both novice and more experienced collectors and relic hunters.

Education on your hobby is time well spent and worth any time and funds. You can meet others with similar interests and make lifelong friends.

Thank you for your helpful thoughts. I sincerely appreciate it Sir