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After seeing many shows where they say no pirates buried treasure except Kidd and reading books with proof otherwise I started wondering has anyone here found anything treasure hunting that contradicts the official way things are said to have been done in the past?
 
Well, the only way to secure anything in historical times was to hide it. You couldn't put it in your house, even in a safe, because someone could easily rob you, there was no security systems, etc. So it just makes sense that hiding things was likely done by not just pirates, but lawful people as well. We know, as historical fact, that armies pillage people they conquered (spoils of war), and then would bury these items before battle, after all they could not be encumbered.
 
A lot of long accepted history has been challenged by new archaeological finds and the use of advanced technological techniques used to examine artifacts. For instance, the Holy Cow of accepted historical fact that has been repeatedly slaughtered is that Columbus discovered the New World of North America in 1492, but modern archaeology has proven Lief Erickson led Viking settlers here long before Columbus, and other evidence now being explored points to a lot of other contact with Europeans and Asians in N.A. as long as 3,000 years ago.
As for Pirates burying treasure, they didn't use banks, and didn't carry it around with them, it would be difficult to spend it all no matter how bawdy a lifestyle they lived. There are plenty of accounts from those days about buried loot. Henry Jennings began the golden age of Piracy when he raided the Spanish wreck recovery operation near Sebastian Inlet, Florida in 1716 snatching 350,000 pesos ( peso = ounce of silver) then sailed for Jamaica and on the way sacked a Spanish ship for another 30,000 pesos. When the crew landed in Jamaica they were really living it up and blowing money like crazy and the British Governor freaked out and forced them to leave. Then Jennings sailed to an island near Puerto Rico and buried the main chunk of his loot there, which he may or may not have ever recovered. Check it out, the information is out there.
A lot of historians seem to be playing some kind of game about historical facts, and it pays to study enough to be able to spot these birds when they open their mouths and start singing their song of lies. Good luck in your research and treasure hunting! Cheers!!
 
After seeing many shows where they say no pirates buried treasure except Kidd and reading books with proof otherwise I started wondering has anyone here found anything treasure hunting that contradicts the official way things are said to have been done in the past?

Don't believe everything the TV tells you, especially shows on the "History" channel. The majority we know about pirates comes from the accounts of the people who captured them. Believe it or not many pirates were never captured so history has never known their names nor their stories. If you were a pirate and you buried a treasure would you go to a historian and tell him about it? This is why we just don't know too much about the subject, but where else would you put your loot besides the ground? Pirates didn't have bank accounts.

Anyway, I know of several stories of known pirates who have buried or hidden treasure. I don't have the source material in front of me right now but I'm particularly familiar with this one story. It is known that there was a crew member of Blackbeard who abandoned his post before Blackbeard's epic fight with the royal navy. Anyway not only did this low ranking pirate bury his treasure he also drew a map to it. The map changed hands several times over the centuries. Eventually it fell into the hands of a guy in the very beginning of the 20th century. Following the directions on the ancient map he found himself over a small patch of dirt next to a river. He dug up the area and found the pirate's cache. It was a small chest full of gold coins and a massive gold and emerald cross. This was the treasure share of just one low ranking pirate, worth millions in today's dollars, but it was lost and unknown to the majority of the world for close to 3 centuries. The fact that we even know about this story is amazing since I'm sure the majority of early treasure hunters never told anyone if they indeed found buried pirate treasure.

So yea, there is most definitely still a lot of pirate treasure buried out there.
 
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Go visit the Oak Island thread(s). Anything buried very deep was a tomb, or deep in the ocean from an accidental wreck. Treasure may have been buried shallow if there was inevitability of capture or if a prize ship wasn't available to carry it back home and they were out of space. If you look at the manifests most treasure was not gold or silver. Cloth, spices, trade goods. The exception were the Spanish sucking Mexico and South America dry of precious metal. If that was lost it was lost at sea.

Can you imagine a ship's captain telling the crew: "Good job, mates! Those few of you still alive and unhurt after three years at sea pillaging and fighting disease can now help me bury our treasure impossibly deep and we'll never see it again."

Treasure was divided up to ship's owner, captain, offices and crew. Many "pirates" were subsidized (Wm Kidd had backers in Parliament - probably why he took the fall he did) and had to split it with King and owners.

Now, when Fred Pirate got home he may be nervous having ill gotten gains and he might bury his portion under the manure pile or somewhere he could get at. Probably relatively shallow.
 
One only has to look at how news is reported today to realize that history will be distorted or even omitted.

I often wonder the same though OP. I wonder about things like Civil War skirmishes and how smaller one's might have been lost to history. I'm also very interested in early American explorers. I wonder about early incursions into North Carolina and America in general. I can't believe current thought (history) on this and shows like America Unearthed have only reinforced this idea.
 
One only has to look at how news is reported today to realize that history will be distorted or even omitted.

I often wonder the same though OP. I wonder about things like Civil War skirmishes and how smaller one's might have been lost to history. I'm also very interested in early American explorers. I wonder about early incursions into North Carolina and America in general. I can't believe current thought (history) on this and shows like America Unearthed have only reinforced this idea.

Do you live in nc I'm in the western part of the state but having one hell of time finding anything that happened in my area.
 
Do you live in nc I'm in the western part of the state but having one hell of time finding anything that happened in my area.

Yes I do; in the North Eastern Piedmont, or simply Northeast of Raleigh. I think NC was one of the last of the colonies to be considered completely settled. There was a tremendous amount of activity at the coast, but not a ton inland. What exactly are you looking for? I'm not a historian, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn so to speak. I'm sure there are folks here with far greater knowledge than myself who will chime in too.

The exploreer Juan Pardo adventured through much of Western Carolina and even built some permanent forts. Maybe he went through an area you can detect in? Check out this book (you'll have to skim through for the maps)
The Juan Pardo Expeditions: Exploration of the Carolinas and Tennessee, 1566 ... - Charles Hudson - Google Books
 
It was not only pirates, before the FDIC you could not trust banks, they would close and you would be out of luck. Banks failed all over and as this country went thru boom and bust and financial crisis every couple of years. Stories of people hiding valuables in walls, ceilings, outhouses, barns, under certain trees. Those are the kind of treasures I have been looking for. No pirates here
 
Yes I do; in the North Eastern Piedmont, or simply Northeast of Raleigh. I think NC was one of the last of the colonies to be considered completely settled. There was a tremendous amount of activity at the coast, but not a ton inland. What exactly are you looking for? I'm not a historian, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn so to speak. I'm sure there are folks here with far greater knowledge than myself who will chime in too.

The exploreer Juan Pardo adventured through much of Western Carolina and even built some permanent forts. Maybe he went through an area you can detect in? Check out this book (you'll have to skim through for the maps)
The Juan Pardo Expeditions: Exploration of the Carolinas and Tennessee, 1566 ... - Charles Hudson - Google Books

Treasure tales I do know the Spanish were in Morganton at a place called joara I live in Caldwell county nearby but the site is an Archie dig site.
 
The mere fact that there is so much uncertainty and misinformation on historical matters, and so much possibility of unrecorded stashing and burying of valuables,
is what drives so many of us treasure seekers. It's always in the back of our minds when we detect, however improbable it may be.
 
Recorded history is only as accurate as the recording individual, and their agenda. A lot of recorded history was deliberatly mis-leading to throw others off the trail, and secure the safety of the object or event....Gary
 
As far as pirates burying treasure...
Every chance they got.
Pirates rarely carried plundered valuables with them...
To be caught with it meant automatic guilt.
If they were ever captured and had the belongings of someone else in their possession...
there was no trial... just capture and death.
Furthermore...
Picture yourself in prison... and you are holding a "gold bar"... or gold coins...
A ship is a close quarters environment... like prison... you know when the guy next to you farts...
let alone what he has in his pockets...
you are among thieves and murderers.... like prison...
survival of the fittest so to speak...
And greed can take over etc.
After a major "score" most pirate ships would anchor off of some agreed upon desolate area...
they would then take ALL "booty" on shore to remove the evidence from the ship...
they "divvy up" and settle all disagreements onshore... make a camp... and dig "main pile" hole....
Which would consist of the "bulk" and traceable items... like marked jewelry etc.
They were each able to take turns... if they so chose to bury the shares off from main pile.
All other pirates would stay at camp while this was done.
Sometimes... and in my opinion more often than not...
The pile spot and shares spots were separate locations...
They would board ship each with allotted shares and sail off to other spots for personal stashes...
many times would anchor offshore and allow rowboats to be taken in turns.
Only "treasure/plunder" allowed to be carried on board would be specie... or items that were untraceable...
they would then seek areas/people that they could either "melt" or pass off the pile to.
NOW with this said... this was not always the case...
Some had outlets to pass off stolen loot... and would rob and immediately make a run to this location...
And "wash" their hands of it.
Nothing worse for a pirate to be caught and arrested... with belly full of plunder...
they would not make it to courts...
they would be hung from mast or...
tied... forced to plank... then shot by multiple guns at once.
And it was off to "Davy Jones' Locker".
 
Above post is only an opinion based on my years of research involving pirates...
this is a case by case sorta thing...
this is a case opinion based on a story told by a captured / eye witness account...
not all pirates did this...
this also gave them a certain amount of "leverage" in the event they faced a corner they could not get out of...
many never returned to gather their "share".
And many never saw the pile again either.
 
A pirates safe...
was a hole to which...
"a depth of average man".
5-6 feet.
 
This particular account comes from British court documentation...
where was actual thought of a recovery effort...
but account could not be substantiated...
All others involved in theft had not talked and had been put to death.
As well as this poor sod.

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