Penry
Greenie
Hey Crow,
Great finds !
I came across both the records you shared of other "John Fursen"'s births - at Stockleigh English and Heavatree, (both also in devon) whilst i was researching - I discounted them as possibly being the "Cornelius" we are looking for solely due to their birth dates!, and the potential of the 1686 treasury book record of "gum seneca" importation being the same person - it occuring prior to the first being born, and whilst the second was just 8 years old !. There's nothing and no way to confirm that any or all of them had the middle name Cornelius, and both of the records i assumed link by name could by all accounts be relating to different peoples !.
I've since found a "John Fursden" of (would you believe it) the village of Fursden, who it is entirely possible could be he.
Brilliant find of the death and burial record in Holland - I found neither for the South Molton John Fursen, just his will and probate, which would have had to have been read in england to resolve his estate here. (I will look into John Fursden of Fursden's death, to see if he died in england and can be counted any or so less a potential) There's nothing i've been yet able to set in complete stone, so remain sat of the fence with you for now !!
The tracing of the 7 (not 9 as i posted before) Knill journals/poketbooks/diaries is proceeding very quickly and well! They haven't turned up yet! (unfortunatly) I've narrowed down where thay are not! (so massively reduced the number of places they could could possible be ! (if they still exist). Have met some lovely people along the way in multiple archives, museums and elsewhere! - I've seen the "pelisse" Knill's mother dressed him whilst he was a baby, and almost had a chance to sit in the shortened leg chair he sat in whilst writing his journals (he was a very short man). A month from today is the quinquennial celebration of Knills life ! (i think the 45th ish occurance) taking place on 25 July 2026 in St Ives, Cornwall UK, (I hope it's pending imminence will add weight to help and convince certain private owners to share "things")! (I've got the day off work to attend) https://stivestowncouncil-cornwall.gov.uk/civic_events/john-knill-celebrations/ , If anyone else with an interest in this thread is thinking of going, give me a shout !
Along the way, i feel i've found/encoutered/read enough random documents to know and feel that there was a "third" extensive search on the Lizard peninsulla in Cornwall, UK for Avery's treasure in the late 1800's (unsucessfull no-doubt of we would have heard about it), an occurance that i've not read about anywhere before.... much more research needed....... Oh, and an insight about the Kressen Kernow held Avery treasure document (already photographed in this thread). It was out last week when i was there (at a conference in the room downstairs so i couldn't get my hands on it). hopefully next time i visit...
forever chasing the reasons behind a quarter of a millenium of failed treasure hunts in cornwall..
Penry
Great finds !
I came across both the records you shared of other "John Fursen"'s births - at Stockleigh English and Heavatree, (both also in devon) whilst i was researching - I discounted them as possibly being the "Cornelius" we are looking for solely due to their birth dates!, and the potential of the 1686 treasury book record of "gum seneca" importation being the same person - it occuring prior to the first being born, and whilst the second was just 8 years old !. There's nothing and no way to confirm that any or all of them had the middle name Cornelius, and both of the records i assumed link by name could by all accounts be relating to different peoples !.
I've since found a "John Fursden" of (would you believe it) the village of Fursden, who it is entirely possible could be he.
Brilliant find of the death and burial record in Holland - I found neither for the South Molton John Fursen, just his will and probate, which would have had to have been read in england to resolve his estate here. (I will look into John Fursden of Fursden's death, to see if he died in england and can be counted any or so less a potential) There's nothing i've been yet able to set in complete stone, so remain sat of the fence with you for now !!
The tracing of the 7 (not 9 as i posted before) Knill journals/poketbooks/diaries is proceeding very quickly and well! They haven't turned up yet! (unfortunatly) I've narrowed down where thay are not! (so massively reduced the number of places they could could possible be ! (if they still exist). Have met some lovely people along the way in multiple archives, museums and elsewhere! - I've seen the "pelisse" Knill's mother dressed him whilst he was a baby, and almost had a chance to sit in the shortened leg chair he sat in whilst writing his journals (he was a very short man). A month from today is the quinquennial celebration of Knills life ! (i think the 45th ish occurance) taking place on 25 July 2026 in St Ives, Cornwall UK, (I hope it's pending imminence will add weight to help and convince certain private owners to share "things")! (I've got the day off work to attend) https://stivestowncouncil-cornwall.gov.uk/civic_events/john-knill-celebrations/ , If anyone else with an interest in this thread is thinking of going, give me a shout !
Along the way, i feel i've found/encoutered/read enough random documents to know and feel that there was a "third" extensive search on the Lizard peninsulla in Cornwall, UK for Avery's treasure in the late 1800's (unsucessfull no-doubt of we would have heard about it), an occurance that i've not read about anywhere before.... much more research needed....... Oh, and an insight about the Kressen Kernow held Avery treasure document (already photographed in this thread). It was out last week when i was there (at a conference in the room downstairs so i couldn't get my hands on it). hopefully next time i visit...
forever chasing the reasons behind a quarter of a millenium of failed treasure hunts in cornwall..
Penry
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