In search of Captain Avery's treasure

[Bocaj]

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Hello Bocaj

Here is some thing of interest the information of treasure to being alleged to be in Cornwall dates back to 1701 as it IS recorded in official Charles the III state papers of 1701 mention the correspondences. Calendar of state papers, Domestic series, of the reign of William III... Preserved in the Public Record Office v.6 1700-1702

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Crow

That is two month after the coded letter. The search is concentrated in Cornwall but the letter seem to point to some oversea location. maybe the coded letter came first and after they interviewed WK they concentrated on the Lizard.

Last entry is a few days after Kidd's hanging! I always wonder why they would hang a man with the knowledge of 100k£ of buried treasure. We speak about a sum almost as large as 10% of the founding capital of the Bank of England! The equivalent of a fully equipped army or a large navy fleet! Not even a king would let such an opportunity pass. Less anyone below him. The only reason I can imagine is that they had (or thought of having) enough information on the treasure to find it without his presents.

Something must have gone wrong!

Do you have any info on those two - Burton and Gill?

 

[Crow]

in answer to Your question about Gill and Burton. They lived at St Micheal's Mount Cornwall and invariable worked for Sir John St Aubyn 2nd Bt of Clowance Here is the family home. Every thing you see below they own.

When Sir John St Aubyn 2nd Bt of Clowance was christened on 13 January 1670, in St Columb Major, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom, his father, Sir John St Aubyn 1st Bt. of Clowance, was 24 and his mother, Anne Jenkyn, was 19. He married Mary de LaHay on 22 May 1695, in Windsor, Berkshire, England, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 6 sons and 4 daughters. In 1704, his occupation is listed as sheriff of cornwall in Cornwall, England, United Kingdom. He died on 20 June 1714, in Clowance, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom, at the age of 44, and was buried in Crowan, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom.

Today the family still resides at the castle. they own substantial land holding through Cornwall. the family are absolutely leaded. Sir John St Aubyn 2nd Bt of Clowance was high sheriff of Cornwall when Avery was there.

After Sir John St Aubyn 2nd Bt of Clowance death. the castle became the family seat of his son. Sir John St Aubyn, 3rd Baronet (1696–1744), of Clowance and St Michael's Mount, Cornwall, was an English Tory politician who sat in the House of Commons from 1722 to 1744. In this period the property went through massive renovation. in the painting of him you can see St Micheal mount in the background.

It makes one wonder how he managed to fund extensive renovation to the island harbor and castle?

Crow

 

[Crow]

There is question about the identity of Henry Avery? also known as long Ben 'Every' Benjamin Bridgeman. or even John Avery.


The following document that can British Library IOR/E/3/50 f 354 : 28 Feb 1695. which seems like this was written by a scribbner and not Every himself. Likely dictated by the pirate to a professional writer.

Its words below.

To all English Commanders lett this Satisfye that I was Riding here att this Instant in ye Ship fancy man of Warr formerly the Charles of ye Spanish Expeditton who departed from Croniae ye 7th of May. 94: Being an am now in A Ship of 46 guns and 150 Men & bound to Seek our fortunes I have Never as Yett Wronged any English or Dutch nor never Intend while I am Commander. Wherefore as I Commonly Spake wth all Ships I Desire who ever Comes to ye perusal of this to take his Signall that if you or aney whome you may informe are desirous to know wt wee are att a Distance then make your Ancient Vp in a Ball or Bundle and hoyst him att ye Mizon Peek ye Mizon Being furled I shall answere wth ye same & Never Molest you: for my Men are hungry Stout and Resolute: & should they Exceed my Desire I cannott help my selfe as Yett An Englishman’s friend, At Johanna February 28th, 1694/5 Henry Every
So it was from this document historian and scholars believe is the real name of Avery was Henry Avery?

In the proclamation in 1696 below the name given was Henry Avery, alias Bridgeman.

There was claims Benjamin Bridgeman and even John Avery. Which is the real name of this pirate. The following document below dates from 1709. Give the name John Avery?

So which name really stands up scrutiny. in birth death marriages and baptismal church records?




Crow

 

[Bocaj]

There is question about the identity of Henry Avery? also known as long Ben 'Every' Benjamin Bridgeman. or even John Avery.


The following document that can British Library IOR/E/3/50 f 354 : 28 Feb 1695. which seems like this was written by a scribbner and not Every himself. Likely dictated by the pirate to a professional writer.

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Its words below.

To all English Commanders lett this Satisfye that I was Riding here att this Instant in ye Ship fancy man of Warr formerly the Charles of ye Spanish Expeditton who departed from Croniae ye 7th of May. 94: Being an am now in A Ship of 46 guns and 150 Men & bound to Seek our fortunes I have Never as Yett Wronged any English or Dutch nor never Intend while I am Commander. Wherefore as I Commonly Spake wth all Ships I Desire who ever Comes to ye perusal of this to take his Signall that if you or aney whome you may informe are desirous to know wt wee are att a Distance then make your Ancient Vp in a Ball or Bundle and hoyst him att ye Mizon Peek ye Mizon Being furled I shall answere wth ye same & Never Molest you: for my Men are hungry Stout and Resolute: & should they Exceed my Desire I cannott help my selfe as Yett An Englishman’s friend, At Johanna February 28th, 1694/5 Henry Every
So it was from this document historian and scholars believe is the real name of Avery was Henry Avery?

In the proclamation in 1696 below the name given was Henry Avery, alias Bridgeman.

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There was claims Benjamin Bridgeman and even John Avery. Which is the real name of this pirate. The following document below dates from 1709. Give the name John Avery?

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So which name really stands up scrutiny. in birth death marriages and baptismal church records?




Crow

Most documents say Every. As he didn't write himself he couldn't correct his name so probably the difference A or E doesn't mean anything as the names sound the same.

 

[Blak bart]

Most documents say Every. As he didn't write himself he couldn't correct his name so probably the difference A or E doesn't mean anything as the names sound the same.

Post in thread 'In search of Captain Avery's treasure' https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/post-7186398

 

[Blak bart]

Post in thread 'In search of Captain Avery's treasure' https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/post-7188568

 

[Bocaj]

To the authenticity of the coded letter:
He could encode a simple substitution even without knowing how to read and write but this is rather unusual and would certainly rise suspicion in the scribe. He seemed to have traveled in the company of unsuspecting men so he was basically alone. The only other possibility is that he learned to read and write in the four years after his disappearance.

The signature is '2' which I decode as 'E'...

 

[Crow]

Hello Bocaj and black Bart.

Nothing is certain. He may of use professional scribes writing that official mission statement and yet. He may of been semi literate. We forget you have illiterate people who cannot read and write. Some of them was sea captains. We have literate people who can articulate well and other somewhere in between. I think Avery was some where in middle he could write bit but not good.

I have document that was mooted as pure fiction by modern pirate author as it criticized by Defoe who did his own BS and Nathaniel Mist both condemned the earlier work as Fiction. Later historians and authors condemned this version as it contradicted things claimed in Defoe or Mists work in the 1720s. And it did not fit narrative they wanted portray. Both Defoe a Whig and Mist a Tory spun their own political agenda in the story.

I would not be surprised that both Defoe nor Mist ever met Avery in person. And yet they or book both have been claimed to be the author of dominates the narrative of who Avery was.

Please sit tight a have more documents to post and search through marriage banns and baptismal records. I think both of you will find things of interest.

Crow

 

[Blak bart]

Political affiliations are something marginalized in todays narrative of pirates. It was a very important factor back in their time, and should be considered and weighed when examining this story. Carry on boys.....I have a feeling some people are watching who are very much involved in an active search for avery/every information and ideas. This thread has carried on much longer than I thought it could, and alot of information has been deposited here....both in fact and theories!!

 

[Bocaj]

Hello Bocaj and black Bart.

Nothing is certain. He may of use professional scribes writing that official mission statement and yet. He may of been semi literate. We forget you have illiterate people who cannot read and write. Some of them was sea captains. We have literate people who can articulate well and other somewhere in between. I think Avery was some where in middle he could write bit but not good.

I have document that was mooted as pure fiction by modern pirate author as it criticized by Defoe who did his own BS and Nathaniel Mist both condemned the earlier work as Fiction. Later historians and authors condemned this version as it contradicted things claimed in Defoe or Mists work in the 1720s. And it did not fit narrative they wanted portray. Both Defoe a Whig and Mist a Tory spun their own political agenda in the story.

I would not be surprised that both Defoe nor Mist ever met Avery in person. And yet they or book both have been claimed to be the author of dominates the narrative of who Avery was.

Please sit tight a have more documents to post and search through marriage banns and baptismal records. I think both of you will find things of interest.

Crow

So many groups battling for political influence: Loyalists, Jacobites, Catholics, Whigs, Tories, EIC, BoE, SSC and endless more. And no rules how this game goes. Everything goes and it created a lot of bubbles. This is were Every's treasure comes into play - 600k£ was like having all jokers at ones in the game.

Carry on boys.....I have a feeling some people are watching who are very much involved in an active search for avery/every information and ideas. This thread has carried on much longer than I thought it could, and alot of information has been deposited here....both in fact and theories!!

It seem to me we getting closer and closer to the truth. Maybe not to the treasure but to the truth about what happened to Every.

 

[releventchair]

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I found this carved in deep relief in another interesting cave....what do you see ? H E ? HENRY EVERY

Sorry Bart. All I got is imagination on it.

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[releventchair]

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[Crow]

There has been several claims in regards to the true name and identity. There has been many claims by people in regards to the identity of Avery. The more I dug into this the more tangled mess it became. There are people who make claims they are descended from Avery to this day.

Modern scholarship suggests Henry Every was born on 20 August 1659 in the village of Newton Ferrers, about 9.7 kilometres (6 mi) southeast of Plymouth, Devon, England. Parish records suggest that he was the son of John Evarie and his wife, Anne, maiden name unknown. ( It should be noted suggests, not confirmed )

The Every family of Devon was quite established at the time, and it is likely he was a kinsman of the Every family of Wycroft Castle.According to the deposition of William Phillips, a member of Every's crew who gave a "voluntary confession" after his capture, in August 1696 Every was "aged about 40 years," his mother lived "near Plymouth," and his wife was a periwig seller who lived "in Ratcliffe Highway." He wed Dorothy Arther at St James Duke's Place in London on 11 September 1690. There is no evidence that he had any children.

There is of course another version

The earliest biographical account of the man, The Life and Adventures of Capt. John Avery (London: J. Baker, 1709), states that he was born in 1653 in Cattedown, Plymouth. Although this location and date are now known to be incorrect, they have been frequently cited in earlier literature. Another suggested year for Every's birth is 1665, though this too is in error. The memoir's Dutch author, who wrote his account a little over a decade after the pirate had vanished, uses the name Adrian van Broeck, but this is probably a pseudonym. The account tells of Van Broeck's short captivity by Every's crew aboard Fancy, and claims that Every's father was a trading captain who had served in the Royal Navy under Admiral Robert Blake.

As you can see modern scholars have discredited the above account. But did academic fall into confirmation al bias coming to that conclusion.

Several later accounts of Every's life, most prominently Daniel Defoe's The King of Pirates (1720), have made reference to the earlier work, but it is of questionable veracity and has been described by the Dictionary of National Biography as "fiction, with scarcely a substratum of fact". as per claim below.

Although a theory existed that Every's birth name was actually Benjamin Bridgeman, especially in light of his nickname "Long Ben", and that "Henry Every" was in fact an alias, modern scholarship has debunked it. It is accepted by historians that "Henry Every" was the pirate's real name, given that he used this name when he entered the Royal Navy. As this was prior to the onset of his piratical career, he would have had no need for an alias. He used the name "Bridgeman" only after committing piracy. Every may have been a cousin of the well-known Every baronets, though this has not been proven conclusively.

Which stand up scrutiny in marriage banns and baptismal records of the time. John Avery, Henry Avery or Benjamin Bridgeman?


I searched Devon and Cornwall for all of the above names pre 1700 records.

Crow

 

[Crow]

There are many dangers in historical research when any name will do. In 1690 there is record of marriage of Henry Avery marrying Dorothy Arthur Archer? below. This was recorded in London. Yet it is excepted as as marriage record of the pirate Henry Avery below yet there are several other Henry's that could of been married to Dorothy?

Henry Avery Baptism 22 Mar. 1656 Gloucestershire, England.
Henry Avery Baptism 12 Jan. 1659 Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Henry Avery Baptism 12 Jan. 1659 Middlesex, England
Henry Avery Baptism 18 Apr. 1661 Gloucestershire, England
Henry Avery Baptism 15 Oct. 1664 Biddenden, Kent, England


Anyone of the 5 contenders could be the Henry Avery of marriage to Dorothy. There is no record of Dorothy ever living in Devon Avery or Cornwall?

This was basis for scholars and academics to believe this was the correct Captain Avery yet. Yet not one academic or piracy expert had produced a document that Henry Avery was ever in the Royal Navy. This list of Henry Avery was one of many Henry Avery living in London and other parts of England. but not in Cornwall or Devon. In all of England there is 153 records of various Henry Avery's. So without supporting collaborating evidence this document above is meaningless. this could of been the marriage record of several different Henry Averys.

Royal Navy crew lists from the 17th century are scarce and can be challenging to locate. However, some records exist, including ships' musters and pay books, which can provide lists of ratings serving on specific ships. These records, while not always detailed, can offer clues to locate further information in parish registers.

In William Phillips Pirate Deposition makes the following claims that Avery had a wife ( Notice he states below Radcliffe highway.Avery's wife was living? )

more to add yet there seems little or questionable evidence to support this.

For me at present thee is just a lot of speculation about Avery's identity family connection or with many things claimed about him. I an convinced either was dying in poverty or rolling buck naked in riches. We just do not know? One thing for sure early writers on the topic were all guilty of profiteering and exaggerating on the notorious fame of this some what elusive pirate.

Crow

 

[releventchair]

There are many dangers in historical research when any name will do. In 1690 there is record of marriage of Henry Avery marrying Dorothy Arthur Archer? below. This was recorded in London. Yet it is excepted as as marriage record of the pirate Henry Avery below yet there are several other Henry's that could of been married to Dorothy?

Henry Avery Baptism 22 Mar. 1656 Gloucestershire, England.
Henry Avery Baptism 12 Jan. 1659 Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Henry Avery Baptism 12 Jan. 1659 Middlesex, England
Henry Avery Baptism 18 Apr. 1661 Gloucestershire, England
Henry Avery Baptism 15 Oct. 1664 Biddenden, Kent, England


Anyone of the 5 contenders could be the Henry Avery of marriage to Dorothy. There is no record of Dorothy ever living in Devon Avery or Cornwall?

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This was basis for scholars and academics to believe this was the correct Captain Avery yet. Yet not one academic or piracy expert had produced a document that Henry Avery was ever in the Royal Navy. This list of Henry Avery was one of many Henry Avery living in London and other parts of England. but not in Cornwall or Devon. In all of England there is 153 records of various Henry Avery's. So without supporting collaborating evidence this document above is meaningless. this could of been the marriage record of several different Henry Averys.

Royal Navy crew lists from the 17th century are scarce and can be challenging to locate. However, some records exist, including ships' musters and pay books, which can provide lists of ratings serving on specific ships. These records, while not always detailed, can offer clues to locate further information in parish registers.

In William Phillips Pirate Deposition makes the following claims that Avery had a wife ( Notice he states below Radcliffe highway.Avery's wife was living? )

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more to add yet there seems little or questionable evidence to support this.

For me at present thee is just a lot of speculation about Avery's identity family connection or with many things claimed about him. I an convinced either was dying in poverty or rolling buck naked in riches. We just do not know? One thing for sure early writers on the topic were all guilty of profiteering and exaggerating on the notorious fame of this some what elusive pirate.

Crow

My paddle hangs dripped dry at the exchange of plunder for slaves. Not quite laundering the plunder but a mention of an earlier island/isle not being a place it could be spent tries to hint of it weighing as a trouble potential. (Or bored Pirates..)
The multiple two or three obvious flags to follow prior end there for me.

What slaves? Skilled slaves? How skilled? And most curiously , skilled at what particular trades or interests. And who's interests.

The most valuable slaves mean fewer of them available both in quantity and actual cost.
Here is where the why (IF a why beyond a medium of exchange mattered to Captain ) of which slaves could give my paddle direction.

Retirement from pirating could take many forms.
Slaves adapt at farming and animal husbandry could make a reclusive sight doable.
A self sufficient life still affording annual profit beyond sustenance on an isle wants laborers and livestock as well as an experience in farming or at least maintaining a perpetual harvest amid some domestic stock raising.
Or heck if skilled jewelers or milliner or tailors were the targeted slaves a very different scenario might have existed.
Or slaves were sold/fractioned away as funds were desired in time.
But care and feeding and restraint and keeping of secrets were work as opposed to another form of wealth to swap stolon stuff for. Plus the obvious possession of a force and thier value. Begging more the question of why slaves not long before the map goes blank.

One of the prior flags are local political type connections and ability to negotiate for mutual interests in a manner welcome wasn't worn out. A tricky business with a pirate crew that had a reputation for not being friendly .

An isle adjacent or along a chain with a network of mutual interests without over playing the new personas ? That has been considered by others ..
An overseer without a wig perhaps that feigns clumsiness and nausea from internal ear gyration after a near drowning as a child keeps his interests away from any life at sea for long ; or similar?

Londons clime and passion for posting inquiries seem off for a retirement. Though tucking alongside enemies keeps tabs on them. But the clime after what the Captain experienced elsewhere?
Distant places he had not plundered prior might have appealed too. To lay low without having to over do it.
Some fertile soil and slaves with a background of making do ; plus some craftsmen/woman among them?
All one would need are the auspices of the right authority and or chieftain.

 

[Crow]

it has been claimed Avery visited the island Johanna as well as other pirates to careen their vessels. Henry Every's ship stopped at Johanna, among other locations, after a successful raid on a Mughal ship. John Bowen and John Howard: These pirates also visited Johanna and used it as a base of operations for attacking ships in the Red Sea. And John James Pirate Thomas Howard had been serving as James' quartermaster; he looted their stranded ship and its valuables before fleeing in a small boat, but James’ fate after this is not known. The island's location made it a convenient stop for pirates for resupply, repairs, and potentially seeking refuge from authorities.

Interesting enough there has never been any exploration around this island for shipwrecks or searches for pirate treasure. Ironically it was not just Avery by many other pirates visited the island bartered and sold slaves.There was one group visited the island looking for caves. They had no interest in treasure just exploring and mapping caves on the island. the island was well known for visiting pirate ships. So it is possible private caches may be hidden on the island

Today the island has a small port. The island is hard to get to as there was no direct flights.

But in the days of the pirates it was just small settlement. The cavers hired a local fixer guide to show known caves on the island. Some was very small. But there was three. In two of the caves they discovered broken ancient pottery and coins. I do not know if they are modern or ancient or how they came to conclusion they was offerings? Since they was ecologists , not anthropologist or archeologist how they came to that conclusion? They had no interest in tampering with artifacts they found in the cave.

Here is picture inside one caves in mud broken pottery was found and coins. The locals say they was placed as offerings.. these caves was all lava tube caves as the island was volcanic island.

Here is map below of the caves.

The next cave they entered they discovered pottery and in the plan of the cave below.

mud.

Here is inside of this cave below.

The third cave you can see the size of it with image of man below give an indication in size. was more an overhand more than anything.

There has been no metal detecting in the floor of cave. The locals are not interested and it has been out of the eyes officials. The beaches on the island have never been detected. There has not been any archeological expedition on the island. The reefs around the island has never very had mag search for wrecks.

While it may not be Avery's burial place of treasure. There is possibility of small caches left by other pirates killed in later battles buried on the island.

Crow

 

[Bocaj]

it has been claimed Avery visited the island Johanna as well as other pirates to careen their vessels. Henry Every's ship stopped at Johanna, among other locations, after a successful raid on a Mughal ship. John Bowen and John Howard: These pirates also visited Johanna and used it as a base of operations for attacking ships in the Red Sea. And John James Pirate Thomas Howard had been serving as James' quartermaster; he looted their stranded ship and its valuables before fleeing in a small boat, but James’ fate after this is not known. The island's location made it a convenient stop for pirates for resupply, repairs, and potentially seeking refuge from authorities.

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Interesting enough there has never been any exploration around this island for shipwrecks or searches for pirate treasure. Ironically it was not just Avery by many other pirates visited the island bartered and sold slaves.There was one group visited the island looking for caves. They have no interest in treasure just exploring and mapping caves on the island. the island was well known for visting pirate ships. So it is possible caches may be hidden. the island

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Today the island has a small port. The island is hard to get to as there was no direct flights.

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But in the days of pirate just small settlement. they hire a local fixer guide to show known caves on the island. Some was very small. But there was three. In two of the caves they discovered broken ancient pottery and coins. Since they was ecologists they had no interest in tampering with artifacts they found in the cave.

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Here is picture inside one caves in mud broken pottery was found and coins. The locals say they was placed as offerings.. these caves was all lava tube caves as the island was volcanic island.

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Here is map below.

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The next cave they entered they discovered pottery and coins in mud.

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Here is inside of this cave below.

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The third cave you can see the size of it with image of man below give an indication in size. was more an overhand more than anything.


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There has been no metal detecting in the floor of cave. The locals are not interested and it has been out of the eyes officials. The beaches on the island have never been detected. There has not been any archeological expedition on the island. The reefs around the island has never very had mag search for wrecks.

While may not be Avery's burial place of treasure. There is possibility of small caches left by pirates killed in later battles buried on the island.

Crow

Thanks. Certainly one of the islands we will visit.

 

[releventchair]

S.E. area of island good place for nooding.
Wooding up I could grasp. But Nooding doesn't ring a bell. Nooding?

Offerings in caves where pottery exists were likely food.
Yes some coins noted but until inspected still just want to be sacrificial type. Give till it hurts may or may not apply. Do local spirits value one coin over another?
The lava tube picture hints of a timid approach to deposit offerings. Highly acceptable to the superstitious and or students of gravity. But the location is near just right for a field of fire to guard the entrance from within too.

Hearths /charcoal might be around entrances if inhabited very long. The pottery area wants eyed closely too for a hearth stain in case it was a oft used vantage point. If smoke wouldn't rise and leave though; it's back outside. Walls (a wall) offer heat reflection in the cold. Not so great in the more heated seasons.

Maybe a couple post hole stains from a frame outside an entrance to shed some rain during cooking times.
No smoke stains on roof exits noted. Nor graffiti.
Hiding an entrance wants a wall of brush blending with the peripherals and go behind to enter. Preferably a live screen of cover maintained for density and feathering beyond ends to blend.

 

[Crow]

There was other pirate visitors to the island. 719/20 Bombay. Capt James MacRae. Portsmouth 21 Mar 1720 - captured by pirates at Johanna 7 Aug 1720.

These details reference those pirates involved in the taking of Cassandra, an East India Company vessel under the command of James Macrae in the summer of 1720, in the bay of Anjouan or Johanna, just off the north-western tip of Madagascar. John Barnes, the 1st mate of Greenwich, captain Richard Kirby, while in Johanna Bay, wrote in his journal entry for August 7, 1720 that Greenwich, Cassandra, and an Ostend vessel (220-ton Stahremberg, Capt. Richard Gargan) came under attack by two pirates: 46-gun French-built Victory, commanded by "Capt. England" and 36-gun Dutch-built Fancy, captained by "Capt. Seager." Barnes clearly understood that there were two different pirate captains named England and Seager.

Jasper Seager is an historical enigma. His name does not appear in documents related to this particular group of pirates before sailing to Madagascar in 1720. He appears not to have come from the African Coast with the others. Still, he assumes command of Fancy, and possibly as commodore over both of the two ships that take Cassandra. If his name had not appeared in Chief Mate John Barnes’ journal from Greenwich as the captain of Fancy on the dated entry for 7 August 1720, before hostilities began on the 8th, he would not have been considered as all that important. His credit from historians is undeservedly and comparatively slight after taking Cassandra. He is not as perceptible in most narratives after the pirates take the Viceroy’s ship at La Bourbon, despite the Viceroy’s own account – Richard Lasinby’s account, of course, came from aboard Victory and not Cassandra, then under Seager’s command.

Owing purely to speculation, Seager may be regarded as an older man of great experience, perhaps already a pirate inhabitant of Madagascar when the others arrived. It is known that one Thomas Seager was in Henry Every’s crew, had not returned with others, and had possibly settled on Madagascar in the mid-1690s. Perhaps another Seager served in Every’s crew or in Kidd’s? To his credit, Charles Johnson predicted that Edward England’s crew searched for Every’s old crew when they arrived at Île Saint-Marie. Evolving from this reasonable speculation, it may also be that later pirate crews [in the East Indies] consisted of mixes between elder pirate residents of Madagascar and the recent arrivals to the island.

'A Journall from England to Bombay and Home in Ship Wyndham, Rich:d Shuter Command:r: from January 5th 1736 to September 12th give a account of kings on the island Joanna decended from slaves and pirates. so you can see a long history of pirates involved with the island. some settle retired them and died many had children with women African south east Asian or Persian. So it was a real melting pot.

So for pirate history and relics. that is is right up there with other pirate haunts. This is could of been the site Avery's alleged pirate kingdom for a time?

Captain Kidd visited the island Johanna perhaps after Avery or some of his loot at least.

Crow

 

[releventchair]

There was other pirate visitors to the island. 719/20 Bombay. Capt James MacRae. Portsmouth 21 Mar 1720 - captured by pirates at Johanna 7 Aug 1720.

These details reference those pirates involved in the taking of Cassandra, an East India Company vessel under the command of James Macrae in the summer of 1720, in the bay of Anjouan or Johanna, just off the north-western tip of Madagascar. John Barnes, the 1st mate of Greenwich, captain Richard Kirby, while in Johanna Bay, wrote in his journal entry for August 7, 1720 that Greenwich, Cassandra, and an Ostend vessel (220-ton Stahremberg, Capt. Richard Gargan) came under attack by two pirates: 46-gun French-built Victory, commanded by "Capt. England" and 36-gun Dutch-built Fancy, captained by "Capt. Seager." Barnes clearly understood that there were two different pirate captains named England and Seager.

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Jasper Seager is an historical enigma. His name does not appear in documents related to this particular group of pirates before sailing to Madagascar in 1720. He appears not to have come from the African Coast with the others. Still, he assumes command of Fancy, and possibly as commodore over both of the two ships that take Cassandra. If his name had not appeared in Chief Mate John Barnes’ journal from Greenwich as the captain of Fancy on the dated entry for 7 August 1720, before hostilities began on the 8th, he would not have been considered as all that important. His credit from historians is undeservedly and comparatively slight after taking Cassandra. He is not as perceptible in most narratives after the pirates take the Viceroy’s ship at La Bourbon, despite the Viceroy’s own account – Richard Lasinby’s account, of course, came from aboard Victory and not Cassandra, then under Seager’s command.

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Owing purely to speculation, Seager may be regarded as an older man of great experience, perhaps already a pirate inhabitant of Madagascar when the others arrived. It is known that one Thomas Seager was in Henry Every’s crew, had not returned with others, and had possibly settled on Madagascar in the mid-1690s. Perhaps another Seager served in Every’s crew or in Kidd’s? To his credit, Charles Johnson predicted that Edward England’s crew searched for Every’s old crew when they arrived at Île Saint-Marie. Evolving from this reasonable speculation, it may also be that later pirate crews [in the East Indies] consisted of mixes between elder pirate residents of Madagascar and the recent arrivals to the island.

'A Journall from England to Bombay and Home in Ship Wyndham, Rich:d Shuter Command:r: from January 5th 1736 to September 12th give a account of kings on the island Joanna decended from slaves and pirates. so you can see a long history of pirates involved with the island. some settle retired them and died many had children with women African south east Asian or Persian. So it was a real melting pot.

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So for pirate history and relics. that is is right up there with other pirate haunts. This is could of been the site Avery's alleged pirate kingdom for a time?

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Resupplying for sure.
Puncheons and hogsheads in a quantity beyond just hanging out at anchor needs.

And keeping in good graces by awaiting a kings approval to take on any cattle. Which even if goats would be wanting water.
That waiting on a king for agreement more than else hints of keeping things agreeable. As one would want to do to not wear out a welcome and be able to loiter at peace some what.. Even perhaps a pirate Captain.

A cleaner hull . Watered. Live stock aboard after Kings blessing. Getting off again for another run seems the plan.