Indians,water wars and chief dragging canoe

[Tnmountains]

This may not be of interest to you but it is happening where I live right now. In I think 1818 they surveyed the Tennessee Georgia Line on the 35th parallel. Problem was to get the stars to align and then their were the Indians at Nick a Jack cave area ( The cave Johnny Cash crawled into and got sober for life) Any ways the surveyors could not get a good survey because the Chickamauga Indians liked to fight. They had what was called the lower towns .Desoto had visited them when he came by. The 35th parallel would have put the line in the Tennessee river for a short section giving the land to Georgia. The Indians scared the surveyors away several times so they set the survey line about a mile away. Well it stuck and now Georgia who is a giant city that was built on hardly any water wants the water from Tennessee. We said NO and shipped them bottled water. HA. Tennessee has won in court many many times and Georgia is desperate and trying again. So Sorry.
In the link below it shows a picture of what was "Falling Water" a huge Indian settlement last run by chief Dragging canoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragging_Canoe and his family some sites dating back to paleo times. There were 5 large towns like this with Temple mounds and such. As you can see in the picture in the link TVA flooded the town then built bridges and free ways over it.The town was on this side of that land bridge under water. They also flooded much farm land and cemeteries. I have artifacts from these areas before they cracked down on surface hunting. Anyways we are not giving Georgia any water, haha

Georgia lawmakers eye Tennessee water again | timesfreepress.com



When they drop the water we see things like this below and if not careful hit the tops of mounds with your boat. When the water is up we fish these places from old maps, All of the TVA maps show stone walls, towns,Indian mounds springs and such under water here.

This is a mile from the picture in the link. Tva flooded thousands of ancient village sites. Robert M. Overstreet and Archie Lecroy hunted these areas as well. Place is full of caves everywhere and stories of Confederate gold and Cherokee/creek Gold and burial chambers. Civil war soldiers marched through here from Nashville to Chattanooga. The largest engineering feat of the civil war was a wooden Rail Road bridge behind the picture built by the Union and later destroyed by floods.




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[larson1951]

interesting information richard

 

[natch.]

its very sad what the white men do to the indians.
very sad!!!!

 

[GaRebel1861]

I've heard that Atlanta wants our water too from SW Georgia.

 

[GatorBoy]

How ironic that the same government responsible for widespread destruction of history like that would make it illegal to pick up a piece of the aftermath.

 

[rock]

I didnt know Ga wanted your water. Every yr this part of Ga drains our big lake that supplies our drinking water. It goes from here to Ala and then all the way to Fl through the river system. They drain it all yr long and then in the winter almost dry. It doesnt matter if there is a drought or not. They claim it is so the water is more pure for us to drink when it fills back up in the spring. That is crazy to drain the water if there is a drought. Now they could drain allot rite now we have plenty. But they have signed a water law that says we have to give the water to the other states and that is probably why they want your water to help supply us when they have to give it to the other states.

 

[Tnmountains]

I didnt know Ga wanted your water. Every yr this part of Ga drains our big lake that supplies our drinking water. It goes from here to Ala and then all the way to Fl through the river system. They drain it all yr long and then in the winter almost dry. It doesnt matter if there is a drought or not. They claim it is so the water is more pure for us to drink when it fills back up in the spring. That is crazy to drain the water if there is a drought. Now they could drain allot rite now we have plenty. But they have signed a water law that says we have to give the water to the other states and that is probably why they want your water to help supply us when they have to give it to the other states.

Rock You can not impede the flow of water to another state it is like cutting off a faucet.Lake Lanier is no means large enough. It Atlanta was responsible they would have built dams and reservoirs 30 years ago like every one else. But they have concentrated on growth with out a water supply. I do not blame Georgia. Atlanta is just a big fat greedy child that grew up. The biggest city in America to be built over no water.

 

[GaRebel1861]

I once saw a bumper sticker that said "General Sherman, Where are you now that Atlanta needs you"

 

[BosnMate]

Sounds like the water fights out here in the west. The archie's out here say that the flooding behind a dam doesn't hurt the site, it preserves it. There is a lot of history under the lakes on the Columbia River, which with all the dams has only 100 yards of free flowing stream.

 

[rock]

When the water level is low sometimes our facet water is brown. I dont drink the water from the facet. lol

 

[GatorBoy]

Sounds like the water fights out here in the west. The archie's out here say that the flooding behind a dam doesn't hurt the site, it preserves it. There is a lot of history under the lakes on the Columbia River, which with all the dams has only 100 yards of free flowing stream.

That's a good point when talking about individual items. But those same archaeologists would have to agree the chances of any "real" information being pulled from those sites with any kind of stratified continuity is gone.

 

[Tnmountains]

Sounds like the water fights out here in the west. The archie's out here say that the flooding behind a dam doesn't hurt the site, it preserves it. There is a lot of history under the lakes on the Columbia River, which with all the dams has only 100 yards of free flowing stream.

Well the TVA is in the business of making electricity from dams turbines and nuclear plants. It is a Federal Government business in the state of Tennessee. They can drop the water so fast it will put your boat on dry ground (I know) or raise it just as fast. I have the schedule and times they drop the water so I know when to go. There was a learning curve cause each dammed area is opposite the next, one lowers another rises ,so that dictates when and where to go and what day, wheeew. If you fish you learn the schedules. I tournament fished for 5 years almost every weekend on one lake or river somewhere.

 

[GatorBoy]

Sounds just like how I have the tides figured out here. The further from the inlet you go the longer the delay. Sometimes its only a 15 minute period the fish turn on to feed at some spots. People seem amazed when they have been fishing for hours without a bite then I show up and like magic the action picks up.

 

[gigglenub]

That's good information when you give the backround info.

 

[lookindown]

Sounds just like how I have the tides figured out here. The further from the inlet you go the longer the delay. Sometimes its only a 15 minute period the fish turn on to feed at some spots. People seem amazed when they have been fishing for hours without a bite then I show up and like magic the action picks up.

Me and my wife fish for mangrove snappers on the West coast of Florida and its like you said. We can catch them for about thirty minutes and they start all at once about thirty minutes after the tide change. We get there right before the magic time and I dont how many times a crowd of fisherman say they have been fishing for hours and nothing is biting. My wife usually brings a snapper up before I even get everthing set up and everyone thinks she got lucky. Ten minutes later when the second and third keeper comes over the rail, they just stand there shaking their heads. We also use flourocarbon and small hooks, that makes a difference too. Sorry to get off topic but I love to talk fishing.

 

[GatorBoy]

Yup..me too. Sounds like you two got it!