Integrity in Detector sales

[warped digger]

Just want to say I believe it is wrong to use someone else's business name to sell detectors if your intent is wrong. I think Kellyco should blank their Metal Detector Super Store - Kellyco Metal Detectors I think this was done in poor judgement. Bart at Big Boys Hobbies has done nothing but right by me and I think he deserves a little more respect other than taking a domain name that redirects people to Kellyco. Metal Detector For Sale Specialized in Minelab, Garrett, XP, Fisher, Teknetics. | BigBoysHobbies is Bart's website for Big Boys Hobbies. The .com idea that Kellyco is using that redirects to their kellycodetectors.com is just wrong and I think the detecting community should have a voice to let them know they should disolve the BBH.com and stick to their own name. I do not work for and I am not affiliated with Bart or Big Boys Hobbies, I am just stating a fact that I believe is wrong and should be fixed by Kellyco if they want to be reputable.

 

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[BC1969]

So what's the issue ? Bbh is just 3 letters ? Many websites use dozens of redirects, sometimes hundreds. It may seem a Lil underhanded, but that's the nature of the web.

Mike

 

[empty_pockets]

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[Keppy]

So what's the issue ? Bbh is just 3 letters ? Many websites use dozens of redirects, sometimes hundreds. It may seem a Lil underhanded, but that's the nature of the web.

Mike

BC …..Is right websites do that so there is no issue here it is just how it works ….

 

[DeepseekerADS]

Am I missing something here? BBH.com takes me to Brown Brothers Harriman...

 

[auferret]

Am I missing something here? BBH.com takes me to Brown Brothers Harriman...

bigboyshobbies.net takes you to Bart's Big Boys Hobbies. If you accidentally type the more common .com ending, it will take you to kellyco and not Barts's site. Kellyco bought the .com address 10 months after Bart bought his and has been syphoning business from him for almost 3 years. This is a common business practice but most consider it unfair.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It's called business, it is common and no big deal.

It is common knowledge when someone starts a business they should buy all the name extensions......






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[BC1969]

Yeah bbh.com is just like DeepSeeker says, that does not go to kellyco...thinking he meant big boys hobbies.com..that indeed does go to kellyco.
That may not seem nice, but like I said before, that's the nature of the beast.
That being said, I doubt kellyco is using it to siphon business, more likely they are holding it hostage to sell it to Bart for an inflated price, which is also the nature of the beast ( web ) so I don't know what to say, sure its not really ethical, but it comes down to the old addage, you snooze you lose.

On topic years back Microsoft.com snoozed and by accident let their domain expire, lucky for them a good nice guy just let them know it expired, had it been me I'd registered it out from under them, then sold it back to them for say...500 million dollars..the nature of the original internet was the free sharing of information, you could use dogpile.com...way before Google came about to search for info and actually find it for free.
Nowadays mostly all you can find is buy this or that or sign up for this to get said info, and if its a free sign up, its still not free, for they all say they don't share your info...98.9% do indeed share it and that makes them money.
So there you go, once people said, screw free, we can get paid...bleh hate that saying..,,,..lost my train of thought...

I don't know Bart, but I have heard nothing but great things about the man, if I had the money I'd buy that domain from kellyco and give it to him, just because, to me small business is the most important thing there is, if I ever buy another detector, it will be from him, and that's only based off talking to people from here, word of mouth advertising, is better than a 30 million dollar super bowl commercial.

On Bart's behalf I will send kellyco a snail mail letter asking them their intentions, for as much as I say it above about the nature, having the same name as a redirect is still underhanded.

Mike

 

[Alan Applegate]

As of this very day, my web site has been up for 10 years! It is edited and updated regularly. I also spent 7 years of my life work in the Internet division of a telco. While these facts do not make me an expert, I believe it gives me a bit more insight than most folks have about web etiquette.

There are lots of issues with the way Icahn has handled the URL suffixes—they ignored the requests. In other words, .COM was to be for commercial enterprises, yet a lot of folks chose .NET in error. Later one, some chose alternates to their prefixes because .COM had already been used. Obviously, this causes a lot of issues as this thread alludes to. In an effort to straighten out the mess, Icahn came up with a whole bunch of new suffixes like .TV, .XXX, and a dozen others. That hasn't gone over to well because of the extra charges involved. Adding insult, there are URL buyers all over the world holding on to URLs hoping to sell them for a huge profit. The bottom line is, as some one mentioned, it is a dog-eat-dog situation we're all faced with, and unfortunately having to live with it too!

 

[BC1969]

.TV is actually a country code originally, for the Tuvalu islands, but I think they sold it if I remember correctly..

Mike

 

[GibH]

I don't think they are syphoning off any real business. If I wanted Big Boys Hobbies and got directed to Kellyco, I would simply google it and find the correct URL.

Kellyco isn't the first or last to use tactics like this and I don't know why anyone would expect anything different from a company that sells $235 plumb bobs.

 

[Unclebuck257]

This is interesting to read the thoughts on what is and what isn't proper in the minds of some folks here regarding business. However, let me point out that this is BUSINESS and not some personal moral dilemma. There is a definite difference and those that forget that fact are making a mistake in their evaluation of this thread subject, in my opinion. What is the difference in what Kellyco has done here as indicated, and in the pre internet days when an appliance store in the city had a big sale and his competitor paid people to hand out fliers on that same city block indicating that their prices were cheaper and pointing out that fact very clearly? Now, I've dealt with Bart, liked Bart and purchased an MD from him, as I've dealt with flphil on another purchase and found Phil to be an extremely honest dealer. I like Bart, but business is business and I see nothing wrong with what Kellyco has done here. Like GigH stated, if I was redirected and didn't want to be, I'd then go and find the correct URL and contact Bart. Business is, and always has been, very competitive. It is up to the business owner to stay on top of his own business and what his competition is up to and then to stay ahead of his competition however he has to or can.

 

[Dave Rishar]

I'd like to think that the average consumer wouldn't be fooled so easily, but I'd also like to think that a package of pistachio nuts wouldn't require an allergen warning stating that they contain tree nuts.

The good news is that Googling "big boy hobbies" will still show his site as the very first hit.

 

[luvsdux]

You don't have to buy from Kelyco. Your choice.
luvsdux

 

[DeepseekerADS]

I went to the .com version after I read the clarification......

Kellyco struck again, other vendors ought to take notice.

 

[Alan Applegate]

All of this reminds me of an old joke.

The business owner looks at the store windows of his competitors either side of him. One says "10%, 20%, even 50% off." The other says, "1/4, 1/3, even 1/2 off." So, he puts a sign in his window saying...

"Main Entrance"

 

[DirtDiggerDaveinMD]

So I go Google and Yahoo search Big Boys Hobbies...the correct site comes up each time at the top of the search results. What is the problem?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Difference is one is .com other is .net






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[TNGUNS]

It may be the "nature of the web", but still an underhanded move. Competition is a good thing when all is aboveboard. In this case I think it falls below the level of what I would consider ethical. As we are all entitled to our own opinion, I personally feel the offender fell way down on my list as a company I would trust enough to do business with. Sometimes just doing things the right way is the best way. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Chug And Red]

All of this reminds me of an old joke.

The business owner looks at the store windows of his competitors either side of him. One says "10%, 20%, even 50% off." The other says, "1/4, 1/3, even 1/2 off." So, he puts a sign in his window saying...

"Main Entrance"

Love it Chug