"JANUARY,1820, while keeping the WASHINGTON HOUSE"

[ECS]

After receiving the Beale story, letters, ciphers ,and iron box from Robert Morriss at Morriss" niece's house, the "unknown author" states he worked the ciphers for 20 years, noting:
"Knowledge of this affair was confined to a very limited circle- to the writer's immediate family, and to one old and valued friend...nor was it ever intended that it should travel beyond that circle" THE BEALE PAPERS
Before he ever brought the finished manuscript to Ward to act as agent, the "unknown author's" family and one friend knew about this Beale treasure for 20 years.

"The gentleman I have selected as my agent (Ward)...would have been one of the beneficiaries in the event of my success...like everyone else, he was ignorant of this episode in Mr Morriss' career until the manuscript was placed in his hands"- THE BEALE PAPERS

Consider the statement "like everyone else" - the "unknown author" had previously stated that his "immediate family and to one old and valued friend" HAD knowledge of this "episode in Mr Morriss' career" as well as the Beale letters, ciphers, and treasure story.
What is also established by the "unknown author" is that James Beverly Ward had no knowledge of the Beale treasure story "until the manuscript was placed into his hand".

The reader of THE BEALE PAPERS needs to realize that by these statements that the Beale narrative story is based on the hearsay manuscript of this "unknown author", and that Ward, acting as agent and publisher is not responsible for the present story, nor culpable for any and all damages and financial loss from those who neglected to understand the disclaimer written into the narrative story:
"I would say a word to those who would take an interest in them...It is to devote only such time as can be spared from your legitimate business to the task, and if you can spare no time, let the matter alone"- THE BEALE PAPERS

Remember, the Beale Papers were written to be sold to the 1885 Lynchburg market who would have been aware of these discrepancies.

 

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[franklin]

According to that 20 years, it seems the author was the one that deciphered C2 from the DOI. But, according to George Hart, Clayton his brother and he said that James Beverly Ward was the one that deciphered C2? A lot of double talk.

 

[masterpoe]

Amongst his guests and devoted personal friends Jackson, Clay, Coles, Witcher, Chief Justice Marshall, and a host of others scarcely less distinguished, might be enumerated.

 

[ECS]

Leads one to the conclusion that the "unknown author" and James Beverly Ward are one and the same.
"That Ward, by accident as he suggests succeeded in finding the key to cipher No 2...create a suspicion that the story might of been made up instead of founded on fact"-George Hart
In a statement to Lt Thomas Fawcett by Gorham B Walker, great grandson of James Beverly Ward, that Fawcett related in his April 30, 1949 letter to Col William Friedman-
"Mr Walker admitted having a copy of the Beale Papers, in which he placed no credence...and thought that undoubely Mr Ward was the true author of the Beale Papers...unanswered is the question as to why he wrote the story"

The most obvious reason is that Ward was is need of money.

 

[masterpoe]

Leads one to the conclusion that the "unknown author" and James Beverly Ward are one and the same.
"That Ward, by accident as he suggests succeeded in finding the key to cipher No 2...create a suspicion that the story might of been made up instead of founded on fact"-George Hart
In a statement to Lt Thomas Fawcett by Gorham B Walker, great grandson of James Beverly Ward, that Fawcett related in his April 30, 1949 letter to Col William Friedman-
"Mr Walker admitted having a copy of the Beale Papers, in which he placed no credence...and thought that undoubely Mr Ward was the true author of the Beale Papers...unanswered is the question as to why he wrote the story"

The most obvious reason is that Ward was is need of money.

Opinions of options! LOL

 

[ECS]

Amongst his guests and devoted personal friends Jackson, Clay, Coles, Witcher, Chief Justice Marshall, and a host of others scarcely less distinguished, might be enumerated.

Do you possess any outside of the dime novel pamphlet documentation that these men were guests or devoted personal friends of the actual Robert Morris?
May be what you call opinion, but supported by actual documented facts.

 

[masterpoe]

Leads one to the conclusion that the "unknown author" and James Beverly Ward are one and the same.
"That Ward, by accident as he suggests succeeded in finding the key to cipher No 2...create a suspicion that the story might of been made up instead of founded on fact"-George Hart
In a statement to Lt Thomas Fawcett by Gorham B Walker, great grandson of James Beverly Ward, that Fawcett related in his April 30, 1949 letter to Col William Friedman-
"Mr Walker admitted having a copy of the Beale Papers, in which he placed no credence...and thought that undoubely Mr Ward was the true author of the Beale Papers...unanswered is the question as to why he wrote the story"

The most obvious reason is that Ward was is need of money.

This reminds me of the story of kid spinning records backwards to look for a message from the devil!

 

[ECS]

...and the point being made by that remark, masterpoe?

 

[masterpoe]

Do you possess any outside of the dime novel pamphlet documentation that these men were guests or devoted personal friends of the actual Robert Morris?
May be what you call opinion, but supported by actual documented facts.

Someone once said, the Beale Papers were historical documents!
Can you say that the the newspapers of the last 200 years printed all truthfully 100% of the time? Or did they just try to sell newspapers?

We all know that newspapers stories sell newspapers, but not necessarily truthfully!

 

[masterpoe]

I would trust the Beale Papers more than I trust the newspapers of the particular time!

 

[ECS]

Well that someone was your codebreaker, Jean Laf, and even the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS does not categorize the BEALE PAPERS as a "historical document".
Nevertheless, using the Beale Papers to prove statements in the Beale Papers as true in NOT considered as "outside proof".
Laf also had a hard time understanding this concept.
So you have no documentation outside of the Beale Papers that will confirm that any of these listed men were ever guests or devoted friends of the actual Robert Morris.

 

[ECS]

...
Can you say that the the newspapers of the last 200 years printed all truthfully 100% of the time?
Or did they just try to sell newspapers?
We all know that newspapers stories sell newspapers, but not necessarily truthfully!

THE LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN April 10,1885 Page 1 Col3

A pamphlet under the title of "THE BEALE PAPERS" has just made its appearance in this city and contains WHAT ARE SAID TO BE AUTHENTIC STATEMENT in reguard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county, near Buford's, by several miners in 1828.
Buy a book, get a pick and shovel, strike for Buford's, dig, grow rich or starve"

This book review was written by John William Sherman, Ward's cousin and printer of the dime novel job print pamphlet.
Was this written to sell papers, sell THE BEALE PAPERS, or to sell both?
Notice the "what is said to be authentic statement" which indicates that the content of the pamphlet is not truthful.
Also notice by several miners in 1828". would Sherman, as printer of the pamphlet make this careless typo error, or was it another tell to those of 1885 Lynchburg that the Beale Papers was a fictional adventure treasure dime novel and not to be taken as a document that would lead to a real treasure.

 

[ECS]

According to that 20 years, it seems the author was the one that deciphered C2 from the DOI.
But, according to George Hart, Clayton his brother and he said that James Beverly Ward was the one that deciphered C2?
A lot of double talk.

Indeed, as both the Beale Papers and the Hart Papers are based on hearsay evidence, but it the "unknown author" or Clayton Hart, and with both, put to the public after every possible witness to the events detailed in both who could confirm or deny the story, had long passed away.
Combine this with the actuality that no outside of either works any collaborating evidence, facts, and/or documentation exists that can confirm these stories as factual accounts of real events.
This had led to theory after theory, many claimed as fact, and endless claims of unproven "solved" ciphers, and when either of these claims or theories are question, arguments constantly occur with the base issue never resolved.
...that being, what is fact and what is fiction?

 

[ECS]

Take note of the first alleged letter in the Beale Papers from Beale to Morriss:

"ST Louis, Mo, May 9th 1822
Robert Morris, ESQ:
"My Esteemed Friend:- Ever since leaving my comfortable quarters at your house..."

Three things stand out:
Beale states that he stayed at the Morriss house, not the Washington Hotel
This letter is dated a year before the real Robert Morris began keeping the Washington Hotel
...and most notably, the only time Morriss is spelled with only one "S" in the pamphlet.

 

[ECS]

Beale was" extremely popular with everyone, particularly the ladies, and a pleasant and friendly intercourse was quickly established between them.
In person he was about six feet in height, with jet black eyes and hair the same color...but his distinguishing feature was a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had discolored him...
He was a model of manly beauty favored by the ladies and envied by men...his character became universally known...such a man was Thomas J Beale, as he appeared in 1820 and his subsequent visits to my house"
- THE BEALE PAPERS
Once again the reference to "house" appears, not the WASHINGTON HOTEL.
Are the two references to his ability with the ladies a veiled nod to real Thomas Beale having a duel over Julia Hancock with Ward's grandfather, James Beverly Risqué?
...or was it a reference to Beale making visits a block over to Buzzard's Roost?
Then it is stated that Beale was "universally known", yet there exists NO record outside of the dime novel pamphlet of this Thomas J Beale character having stayed at the Morriss home or being so favored by the ladies that it made men envious.
If Beale made such an impact during his stay in 1820 as related in the Beale Papers, one would think there would be a mention in:
"SKETCHES AND RECOLLECTIONS OF LYNCHBURG" -Margaret Couch Cabel 1858
… or most conspicuous by lack of mention:
"HISTORICAL SKETCHES OF BEDFORD COUNTY" by N Hawkins & Rowland D Buford
*NOTE*- Rowland D Buford was the son of Pascal Buford, owner of BUFORD's INN where allegedly Thomas J Beale stayed while digging his treasure vault "4 miles from Buford's".
Rowland and his sisters, Margaret and Ann, always stated that they had NO family knowledge of Beale's stay at their parents Inn that was mentioned in the dime novel job print pamphlet.

 

[masterpoe]

Well that someone was your codebreaker, Jean Laf, and even the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS does not categorize the BEALE PAPERS as a "historical document".
Nevertheless, using the Beale Papers to prove statements in the Beale Papers as true in NOT considered as "outside proof".
Laf also had a hard time understanding this concept.
So you have no documentation outside of the Beale Papers that will confirm that any of these listed men were ever guests or devoted friends of the actual Robert Morris.

Amazon has the Beale papers as Biographies & Memoirs not as a fictional work!

Biographies and Memoirs best describes the pamphlet!

Historical Documents! Yes!

 

[masterpoe]

THE LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN April 10,1885 Page 1 Col3

A pamphlet under the title of "THE BEALE PAPERS" has just made its appearance in this city and contains WHAT ARE SAID TO BE AUTHENTIC STATEMENT in reguard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county, near Buford's, by several miners in 1828.
Buy a book, get a pick and shovel, strike for Buford's, dig, grow rich or starve"

This book review was written by John William Sherman, Ward's cousin and printer of the dime novel job print pamphlet.
Was this written to sell papers, sell THE BEALE PAPERS, or to sell both?
Notice the "what is said to be authentic statement" which indicates that the content of the pamphlet is not truthful.
Also notice by several miners in 1828". would Sherman, as printer of the pamphlet make this careless typo error, or was it another tell to those of 1885 Lynchburg that the Beale Papers was a fictional adventure treasure dime novel and not to be taken as a document that would lead to a real treasure.

The information I have researched on the historical documents we are referring to is full of mistakes in spelling and particular dates!

Just more proof you are looking for errors in a world full of them that are meaningless!

 

[bigscoop]

The reason so many still believe in the tale is simply this, "Since there is absolutely no supporting fact to The Beale Paper story at all, this just proves that it was so darn secret that they were really good and thorough at hiding the truth. And so therefore, the complete lack of supporting evidence proves it all to be entirely true."

And when this fails to work it's always, "It was a cover story to the real truth, which must be true for all of the above same reasons."

 

[masterpoe]

The reason so many still believe in the tale is simply this, "Since there is absolutely no supporting fact to The Beale Paper story at all, this just proves that it was so darn secret that they were really good and thorough at hiding the truth. And so therefore, the complete lack of supporting evidence proves it all to be entirely true."

And when this fails to work it's always, "It was a cover story to the real truth, which must be true for all of the above same reasons."

Wrong again! LOL

 

[ECS]

Amazon has the Beale papers as Biographies & Memoirs not as a fictional work!
Biographies and Memoirs best describes the pamphlet!
Historical Documents! Yes!

How Amazon has items categorized for sale is not the arbiter of whether something is a historical document or true.