Legend of the Stone Maps

[releventchair]

A small piece of stone, or other medium appears to be floating in adhesive where left lobe meets center at top of heart.

 

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[releventchair]

A small piece of stone appears to be floating,or missing, where left lobe meets center at top of heart.
Was stone mudded or resurfaced or "re-repaired" then?

 

[sgtfda]

The whole stone

 

[sgtfda]

How about this one of the molds in possession of the AZ mineral Assoc for making copies 1994.

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

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The whole stone

This "stone" just looks unnatural to me I have seen plenty of red iron oxide sandstone, this stuff in the pictures looks like it was cast out of adobe mud.

 

[gollum]

A buddy of mine has one of those sets:



Mike

 

[Hal Croves]

How about this one of the molds in possession of the AZ mineral Assoc for making copies 1994.View attachment 1181609

Frank,
To be clear to your readers, are you are saying that this photo is a photo of a mold, from which cast positive copies are made?
It's difficult to tell but that looks like a photo of a positive, the original or a cast copy but not a mold (negative).
Can you be more clear?

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

Frank,
To be clear to your readers, are you are saying that this photo is a photo of a mold, from which cast positive copies are made?
It's difficult to tell but that looks like a photo of a positive, the original or a cast copy but not a mold (negative).
Can you be more clear?

That was very clear to me with no further explanation needed.

 

[cw0909]

i think they are the same stone, just 10 more yrs of accumulated dust and dirt
in the cracks and crevices
correction, that would be 20 yrs, as Jacks img is from 1994

 

[gollum]

i think they are the same stone, just 10 more yrs of accumulated dust and dirt
in the cracks and crevices

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Thanks CW0909. They are exactly the same stone. Just like the Stone Maps on display at the Museum are the same ones received from the Flagg Foundation, just like Greg Davis said they were.

Mike

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

i think they are the same stone, just 10 more yrs of accumulated dust and dirt
in the cracks and crevices

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If they were kept out of doors I might agree but they are in a controlled environment (indoors) so dust and dirt should not be an altering factor unless the museum staff let people handle them with out taking proper care (gloves) then you point might be valid.

 

[Hal Croves]

That was very clear to me with no further explanation needed.

A photo of a mold, essentially, a negative, would show things in the reverse.
The cavity of the heart would be raised, like a platform and no shadow would fall into it.
The Heart (platform) would cast its own shadow.

Whatever that is, it is not a mold or negative.
Perhaps Frank is using the word to describe a cast, taken from a mold.
Hard to say.

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[azdave35]

If they were kept out of doors I might agree but they are in a controlled environment (indoors) so dust and dirt should not be an altering factor unless the museum staff let people handle them with out taking proper care (gloves) then you point might be valid.

bob's right ....i dont think these have ever seen the daylight for the past 40 years

 

[cw0909]

If they were kept out of doors I might agree but they are in a controlled environment (indoors) so dust and dirt should not be an altering factor unless the museum staff let people handle them with out taking proper care (gloves) then you point might be valid.

ok ive never been to the museum even the last time there back in 98
what do you mean by controlled environment (indoors), i saw the vid
and other vids of the stones area in the museum, all i saw, was a what
looked like a plexi class encloser, and in an open area

 

[sgtfda]

I can't explain it. The print is reverse of what it should be. It was a stone in their possession. Jack photographed it. You can argue until you blue in the face. No one knows where the real stones are. One reason I'm not a stoner. Too much bull. Copies passed down from place to place does not make them the originals. Any of you stoners tell me you know for a fact what you have seen or photographed are original. You can't. You don't know if Travis or Mitchell or any of the others passed on a copy.

 

[azdave35]

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I can't explain it. The print is reverse of what it should be. It was a stone in their possession. Jack photographed it. You can argue until you blue in the face. No one knows where the real stones are. One reason I'm not a stoner. Too much bull. Copies passed down from place to place does not make them the originals. Any of you stoners tell me you know for a fact what you have seen or photographed are original. You can't. You don't know if Travis or Mitchell or any of the others passed on a copy.

same reason i've never been interested too much in the stone maps...too much time has passed since 1949...66 years...alot can happen in 66 years

 

[gollum]

If they were kept out of doors I might agree but they are in a controlled environment (indoors) so dust and dirt should not be an altering factor unless the museum staff let people handle them with out taking proper care (gloves) then you point might be valid.

Hey Buddy,

While they have been handled many times over the years. Since they have been at the Superstition Museum, I know Greg has made certain that nobody handled any of the stones without gloves.

AZDAVE35,

Nah. Every few years, they take them out for a public viewing. Come to think of it, the last time they were taken out for a public display was in June of 2010.



Mike

 

[coazon de oro]

A photo of a mold, essentially, a negative, would show things in the reverse.
The cavity of the heart would be raised, like a platform and no shadow would fall into it.
The Heart (platform) would cast its own shadow.

Whatever that is, it is not a mold or negative.
Perhaps Frank is using the word to describe a cast, taken from a mold.
Hard to say.

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Howdy Hal,

That photo was made with the negative backwards. You can see that the writing is also backwards.

Homar

 

[azdave35]

Hey Buddy,

While they have been handled many times over the years. Since they have been at the Superstition Museum, I know Greg has made certain that nobody handled any of the stones without gloves.

AZDAVE35,

Nah. Every few years, they take them out for a public viewing. Come to think of it, the last time they were taken out for a public display was in June of 2010.

Mike

yes mike..i forgot about the FLAGG rock and gem show at mesa community college ..they usually have them on display there every year..but they are still behind glass

 

[gollum]

yes mike..i forgot about the FLAGG rock and gem show at mesa community college ..they usually have them on display there every year..but they are still behind glass

My guess is that any display outside of museum property would involve a set of copies. That was the reason AM&M Museum/Flagg Foundation had the other set made. So they could travel or be displayed without fear of damage or theft.

Mike