Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

[Interested Party in UK]

Cheers TT, you're a good 'un.

I did exactly that - going around markets, old antique shops etc...

When on holiday in Switzerland with my family a few years ago, I took a trip to a curios shop and got talking to the owner. He was frank and honest enough to say his father travelled all over the globe in the 1950s and picked-up all manner of items, artefacts and cultural items by simply swapping them for inexpensive trinkets.

There was some amazing stuff in that shop, but not as amazing as what was kept hidden..

IUP

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

end of an era ?? sniff.

A Sad ?Adios? to the Most Interesting Man

 

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

end of an era ?? sniff.

A Sad ?Adios? to the Most Interesting Man

Jose, I don't wish to rub salt in an open wound.
But, there are two of the most interesting men in the world, right here on this thread.

Neither of them would pronounce the brand name of
"Two Kings" beer as,
" Doe - Suckees".

He made my ears ring louder, every time he said that.

#/;0{> ~

 

[Simon1]

end of an era ?? sniff.

A Sad ?Adios? to the Most Interesting Man

If you were not so busy writing your book, you could have stepped in for that boring guy and showed him what was interesting. Course, now with him out of the picture you can do just that ?
By the way, I finally found a picture of that PBY you said you once piloted, I thought the point was to land "On the water" , not under it ? Oh well, as long as you could walk, ( swim ), away, it was a good landing.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Simon, taint mine, it's still flying --- I think.

 

[J.A.A.]

Thanks for the concern amigo -and my apologies to everyone for being absent from class. I was "unavoidably detained" as the polite way of saying it goes, however thankfully and FINALLY all of my friends and relatives took up a collection to make bail and presto I am free! Woo-hoo! It was a bit surprising that they had SO much trouble scraping up the $20 bail money though. Anyway apologies again, will try to get caught up here soon.

I hope all is well with all of you, have already read some GREAT posts by you all so please keep 'em coming!

And one extra for having been absent

No need to apologize amigo, just good to see you back, safe and sound! I would've thrown in some bail money too but, since I'm surrounded by nothing but women, young and old(er), I haven't got any![emoji31]

Looking forward to some great yarns from you again![emoji106]

Justin

 

[Corporate Investigations]

If you were not so busy writing your book, you could have stepped in for that boring guy and showed him what was interesting. Course, now with him out of the picture you can do just that ?
By the way, I finally found a picture of that PBY you said you once piloted, I thought the point was to land "On the water" , not under it ? Oh well, as long as you could walk, ( swim ), away, it was a good landing. View attachment 1299623

Simon indeed

Through one of funds the trio set up helped fund the restoration of PYB in Australia. It was originally an American one sold to Spain after the war. Its now been restored in Australian World War 2 black cat squadron colors.



Perhaps it was the party bus Don Jose flew.......back then?



Amy

 

[tintin_treasure]

IPU...,do you know the diary of a French Napoleon General Ct de Segur about the campaign in Russia?
I came across such an old book today in Flea market somewhere in Europe and bought it for 1 euro,,,,,of course it is not the original book but still quite old,,,problem is I don't read French in order to investigate for any clues on Napoleon treasure,,,
...also have you heard about the story of an old royal Spanish girdle full of jewels that kept passing from leaders to leaders way back from the time of the moors and then lost after being seen in the Spanish court in later centuries.?
TT

 

[Corporate Investigations]

IPU...,do you know the diary of a French Napoleon General Ct de Segur about the campaign in Russia?
I came across such an old book today in Flea market somewhere in Europe and bought it for 1 euro,,,,,of course it is not the original book but still quite old,,,problem is I don't read French in order to investigate for any clues on Napoleon treasure,,,
...also have you heard about the story of an old royal Spanish girdle full of jewels that kept passing from leaders to leaders way back from the time of the moors and then lost after being seen in the Spanish court in later centuries.?
TT

Evening TT

Sounds like an interesting book you found. Even if you cannot read French you can do a speed keyword search of the book you Bought. For example key words. Treasure, Money Gold, jewels, Gold Bullion in French is....Trésor, argent, or , bijoux, Lingots d'or.

Find any of them translate those pages....

As for the girdle I have not heard that story.

Amy

 

[tintin_treasure]

Evening TT

Sounds like an interesting book you found. Even if you cannot read French you can do a speed keyword search of the book you Bought. For example key woods. Treasure, Money Gold, jewels, Gold Bullion in French is....Trésor, argent, or , bijoux, Lingots d'or.

Find any of them translate those pages....

As for the girdle I have not heard that story.

Amy

Hi Amy,,,thanks,,,that is good suggestion though still not easy to do that as we do on digitized docs,,,I may try sometime,,,
As to the girdle yarn,,,,here is an excerpt from a historical book I was reading entitled 'the moors in Spain and portugal',,,,It was talking about the prosperous rule of a morrish (umlayyaad dynasty) ruler named Abd al Rahman in what is now most of the Iberian peninsula(Portugal and Spain)from his imperial city of Cordoba in Spain. I copied from the book below. Enjoy the yarn..

",,,,,most famous of all 'Abd al Rahman's' purchases was the 'al thu ban' ( or snake),which has belonged to Zubayda,wife of Harun al-Rashid of the 'thousands and one nights'.In his ' Espana del Cid' ,R.Menendez Pidal has traced the history of this ill-omened and splendidly jewelled girdle down through the centuries .Bought for 6 thousand dinars by 'Abd al Rahman' for his current favourite , al-shifa,with the fall of the Umyyads at the beginning of the eleventh century it passed to the Dhu 'l-Nun of Toledo.It was taken by the last prince of that dynasty,al-Qadir, a protege of the Cid,to valencia and removed from his mutilated body after his murder at the instigation of the qadi Ibn -Jahhaf.The vengeful Cid called the qadi to book for his crimes and forced him to reveal the whereabouts of the girdle, which he then gave to his wife,Jimena.
After the Cid's death and the evacuation of Valencia in 1102, it was removed by her to Castile.Centuries later it was misappropriated by the Constable of Castile, Alvaro de Luna.In a trial closely paralleling of Ibn- Jahhaf, de Luna finally admitted to secreting treasures which were rediscovered in the vaults of the Alcazar of Madrid.According to the Cuarta Cronica General, they included the Cid's swords, Tizon and Colada and the 'hip of belt ,all of gold,pearls and previous stones which had belonged to the Cid Ruy Diaz'.This was in 1453.It is believed that it subsequently passed into the possession of Queen Isabella ,the Catholic.Henry VII of England's ambassador to the Spanish court desribes her as wearing a jewelled girdle corresponding to it.Most probably Isabella had it broken up to help meet the expenses of the reconquest....

According to the author the girdle could have been broken up for financing the reconquest of the southern Spain.But that is assumption...could the girdle be still hidden somewhere in Spain?...it would be worth millions...

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hey TT,

Sorry pal, I can't say I've come across that Frenchie General or the Moor girdle story.

The problem with the French is, they never learned to speak English....

That one about the girdle does make sense in that valuables were fashioned into body wear and kept on one's person in case of emergency and security. If the Moors did possess this valuable girdle, it would stand to reason that the Spanish and other royal houses of Europe would covet it.

If I am not mistaken, if the girdle had a religious enscription which the Moors were fond of, then if it was taken by a Christian army, then they may have destroyed it out of religious zeal and used the proceeds for other things. The only 'heathen' objects that survived destruction were usually things that sparked curiosity or wonder.

That considerable conqueror of the Aztecs - Cortes - sent back to Spain the most amazing silver, gold and beautifully made artefacts for his King, but the ship sank taking the priceless cargo to a watery grave. It is said that some Incan curios were sent to the Vatican for the pope to view and apparently still are kept in the archives there...

But it is nice to see you keep delving, investigating, verifying and trying for "The One"!

IUP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hey TT,

Sorry pal, I can't say I've come across that Frenchie General or the Moor girdle story.

The problem with the French is, they never learned to speak English....

That one about the girdle does make sense in that valuables were fashioned into body wear and kept on one's person in case of emergency and security. If the Moors did possess this valuable girdle, it would stand to reason that the Spanish and other royal houses of Europe would covet it.

If I am not mistaken, if the girdle had a religious enscription which the Moors were fond of, then if it was taken by a Christian army, then they may have destroyed it out of religious zeal and used the proceeds for other things. The only 'heathen' objects that survived destruction were usually things that sparked curiosity or wonder.

That considerable conqueror of the Aztecs - Cortes - sent back to Spain the most amazing silver, gold and beautifully made artefacts for his King, but the ship sank taking the priceless cargo to a watery grave. It is said that some Incan curios were sent to the Vatican for the pope to view and apparently still are kept in the archives there...

But it is nice to see you keep delving, investigating, verifying and trying for "The One"!

IUP

IUP...thanks,,,,I think the girdle is just a fabulous piece of jewellery sewn in medieviel times and it did not have any reliegeus connotation.It landed in the Moor's possesion by purchase....I don't think the Christians later had it cashed for the reconquest as it would be difficult to convince the queen Isabella to part with her jeweled dress easily in which she decorated herself ........
As to Inca or Aztec relics in Vatican I saw some of them (golden objects) myself in the Vatican museum ,,,,

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Super TT,

You really are doing a comprehensive sweep of Europe. I haven't been to the Vatican museum but when time permits, I shall be looking forward to seeing the fabulous items of the Inca. At times like this it makes you wonder what might have been lost to humanity for the sake of a quick shilling or two.

 

[tintin_treasure]

Super TT,

You really are doing a comprehensive sweep of Europe. I haven't been to the Vatican museum but when time permits, I shall be looking forward to seeing the fabulous items of the Inca. At times like this it makes you wonder what might have been lost to humanity for the sake of a quick shilling or two.

IUP,,,when you go to Rome,,make sure to have ample time to visit other things and histories of the city ,,and if possible enquire about legends and stories about the legendary Tiber river that may hold many secrets,,,
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

I will do so mate. So much to see and do and not enough time!

Aaarrggh!


IUP

 

[tintin_treasure]

I will do so mate. So much to see and do and not enough time!

Aaarrggh!


IUP

But mind you, what you see as Inca objects in the vatucan museum display,could be a fraction of what they may have in the vaults...the bigger and more shiny ones may be in the vaults to avoid criticisms,,,,
TT

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

true, so true tin tin

 

[Interested Party in UK]

TT, the respected British Museum has some of the greatest pieces in the world. But due to political delicacies, cultural sensitivities and concerns of the providence of objects, mind-blowing shiny gold and silver thingies are not allowed to see the light of day....

The Don is right, the Vatican is probably operating under similar guidelines.

But I still maintain, the best pieces and artefacts are in the hands of private collectors who have no such concerns...

IUP

 

[tintin_treasure]

TT, the respected British Museum has some of the greatest pieces in the world. But due to political delicacies, cultural sensitivities and concerns of the providence of objects, mind-blowing shiny gold and silver thingies are not allowed to see the light of day....

The Don is right, the Vatican is probably operating under similar guidelines.

But I still maintain, the best pieces and artefacts are in the hands of private collectors who have no such concerns...

IUP

True,,,,,but don't forget what the ocean devoured and the pirates pillaged........
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Isn't that where us chaps fit in....?



Let us continue our quest!


IUP