Treat Oak Island as an Armchair Treasure Hunt and it has a Solution

[WSB]

Hi Crypted. Apologies I thought this was answered via a response to a different question.
I am not choosing any stones or boulders or ignoring any either. My entire starting universe is 4 of Nolans Cross boulders, the Face or Offset stone depending on ypur terminology and 17 named stars.
1) the 17 named stars are preselected according to a fixed rule. 17 no more and no less.
2) I calculate their azimuths (rising and setting) precessed to 1200 AD on OI. Simply maths.
3) I drew alignments through the 4 boulders of Nolans Cross that were visible above ground since 1200 AD using the 17 pre-selected stars
4) Those alignments intersect at 6 meaningful points.
5) 2 of those points intersect at the 2 previously buried stones that have already been found. (Identified by 2 independent alignments intersecting, the stone Nolan found accidentally and Amundsens Kingdom Stone)
5) the other 4 are gps positions where I predict 4 others stones are located and each is identified by 3 independent alignments intersecting
6) those stone positions, 10 in total tell a story through the lens of Revelation in the Bible and the traditional meaning of the named stars in Persian Astrology.

 

[WSB]

I made an error
In responding that I need to corrext. The intersections reveal the 5th stone. Then 5 reveal the 6th and so on.
I have being working on this for so long that I forget it may not be initially intuitive for someone new to it.

 

[chalkoutline]

Hi Chalkoutline
I don't understand the first question as I did not choose Oak Island ? I previously posted why I believed the Templars might have been interested in it. I believe you may be looking at your own theory which is unrelated to my solution. I have also already responded to you that I do not use any Cygnus stars as part of the solution apart from Deneb which is one of the 17.

There are thousands of islands with rocks, there are also thousands of constellations and thousands of years of those constellations rising and falling yet you have narrowed your theory to Oak Island and when the stars of Cygnus rise and fall 1200. To me that's very impressive!

Since you state there is no connection between nolans cross and Cygnus you should have an explanation how you decided to use Cone C as the Denal star of Cygnus.

I accept that your theory will work to find other rocks but only the correct rocks will be found if the starting point is correct.
So what was your thought process for anchoring Denal to Cone C?

To me, the only way one could make that connection is if there is a connection between the two.

 

[WSB]

I don't know what Denal is... are you referring to Deneb ? and I have NEVER anchored anything to stone C or suggested it. I have no idea where you are getting it from . Please read the previous response to Crypted.

 

[chalkoutline]

I don't know what Denal is... are you referring to Deneb ? and I have NEVER anchored anything to stone C or suggested it. I have no idea where you are getting it from . Please read the previous response to Crypted.

So where do you take your first bearing?

Yes. Deneb, sorry

 

[chalkoutline]

My entire starting universe is 4 of Nolans Cross boulders, the Face or Offset stone depending on ypur terminology and 17 named stars.

So which of the boulders of Nolan's Cross do you take the first bearing.

 

[BennyV]

Amundsen, muir, halpern, pharoe, etc. are all proven purveyors of fiction. None were ever able to produce factual evidence of their claims.

All of those alignments you speak of are also present on my back acreage. I must have a fantastical treasure on my land!

All of the "geometric patterns" ever presented here could apply to millions of locations throughout the world.

You need a new hobby.

 

[WSB]

Two alignments drawn as lines.

The first from the head stone at 44.514524, −64.291050, along the Pleiades rising bearing: 59.37°.

The second from the south arm at 44.513470, −64.290864, along Spica rising: 99.67°.

Both stars and both azimuths come from the catalogue, precessed to 1200.

They cross at 44.513723, −64.292947.

Fred Nolan's buried boulder, which he came across by accident with no theory as to why it was there, is at 44.513737, −64.292955.

That's the test — a point the geometry produced, landing five and a half feet out over more than five hundred, on a stone that was already in the ground.

The other five work the same way. Same catalogue, same precessed azimuths, and the GPS positions of whichever stones are already established. Four of them take three lines rather than two, and the reason why is in the book — it isn't important here.

All of it is on the site: the stone positions, the star catalogue, every alignment with its deviation, the full distance table including the misses, and the code that generates the lot. weststarbooks.com, free, no sign-up. (Site updated just now)

There's no advantage in me working each one out for you. The whole point of publishing was that somebody redoes it independently and confirms whether right or wrong

 

[chalkoutline]

Two alignments drawn as lines.

The first from the head stone at 44.514524, −64.291050, along the Pleiades rising bearing: 59.37°.

The second from the south arm at 44.513470, −64.290864, along Spica rising: 99.67°.

Both stars and both azimuths come from the catalogue, precessed to 1200.

They cross at 44.513723, −64.292947.

Fred Nolan's buried boulder, which he came across by accident with no theory as to why it was there, is at 44.513737, −64.292955.

That's the test — a point the geometry produced, landing five and a half feet out over more than five hundred, on a stone that was already in the ground.

The other five work the same way. Same catalogue, same precessed azimuths, and the GPS positions of whichever stones are already established. Four of them take three lines rather than two, and the reason why is in the book — it isn't important here.

All of it is on the site: the stone positions, the star catalogue, every alignment with its deviation, the full distance table including the misses, and the code that generates the lot. weststarbooks.com, free, no sign-up. (Site updated just now)

There's no advantage in me working each one out for you. The whole point of publishing was that somebody redoes it independently and confirms whether right or wrong

My last question...
What is the purpose of finding all these rocks?

 

[WSB]

My last question...
What is the purpose of finding all these rocks?

The stones aren't the point in themselves. Once you have all eleven, relationships appear between them that you can't see with only five — and one of those relationships gives you a location.

 

[chalkoutline]

Weststarbooks,
1. I ran the calculations for the example provided and they matched your results. You're right...simple math.
2. Google AI confirmed the location was/is the site of Fred Nolan's 20ton granite boulder he found buried in 6ft deep.

Google AI added the 20ton boulder sat in a man-made cradle of smaller rocks.

3. I googled the Amundsen stone. Google indicated that stone was small, flat, red granite buried 5cm deep and was hand excavated. No mention it being placed by man.

Conclusion:
Clearly the fred nolan stone was intentionally placed for some purpose, maybe a marker of some kind.

However, the Admundsen stone does NOT appear to be intentionally placed and as such appears, at least to me, to be unrelated because of its small size and subject to movement over time.

Had the Admundsen stone been substantially larger and had signs of man's involvement, i would agree with your theory.

That's all i have to say on this subject.

 

[WSB]

Weststarbooks,
1. I ran the calculations for the example provided and they matched your results. You're right...simple math.
2. Google AI confirmed the location was/is the site of Fred Nolan's 20ton granite boulder he found buried in 6ft deep.
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Google AI added the 20ton boulder sat in a man-made cradle of smaller rocks.

3. I googled the Amundsen stone. Google indicated that stone was small, flat, red granite buried 5cm deep and was hand excavated. No mention it being placed by man.

Conclusion:
Clearly the fred nolan stone was intentionally placed for some purpose, maybe a marker of some kind.

However, the Admundsen stone does NOT appear to be intentionally placed and as such appears, at least to me, to be unrelated because of its small size and subject to movement over time.

Had the Admundsen stone been substantially larger and had signs of man's involvement, i would agree with your theory.

That's all i have to say on this subject.

 

[WSB]

The Lot 8 Boulder is a completely different feature in the West of the island. Its coordinates have never been published by the COI show so your Google AI query conflated the two. Good luck with your own theories 👍

 

[chalkoutline]

Do you have the picture or description of the stone found at 44.513723, -64.292947?

 

[chalkoutline]

Nevermind, i think i found it.

The stone accidentally uncovered by fred nolan while searching his property waa a large, subsurface granite boulder that was found entirely buried in the ground. [1]

For me the fred nolan stone and admundsens stone are completely different in nature and not connected in any significant way....just rocks.

I figured out why the mistake. I used "boulder" in my search criteria and Google AI ignored the coordinates and gave me boulders.

I changed to "stone" and found it by the using the coordinates.

Added:
There are about 1,000 large granite boulders scatter across the east end of Oak Island where Nolan's Cross sits
Digging a random hole at Nolan’s Cross on Oak Island has a high probability (roughly 50% to 90% depending on exact depth and glacial till) of hitting glacial boulders

 

[chalkoutline]

That's a LOT of CABBAGE..

I did the math...
In 1780 a cab sold for 4 pence.
John Smith bought Lot 18 (MP) for 7 punds 10 shillings.

Samuel Ball would have needed to sell 450 cabbages to buy a 4 acre lot on oakIsland. The growing season is about 4 months so SB would haved needed to sell 100 cabbages/month.

You can grow 10,000 cabbages/acre.
Cabbages were stored for the winter and families ate 15 to 25 cabbages/month so each family would need 150 cabbages annually.
So SB needed half dozen customers.

More land, more cabbage, more income
I don't think he needed treasure to pay for his land.

 

[n2mini]

He didn't need the treasure to buy his land but, "IF" it is true that he shopped on the mainland with gold coins he did.. Plus he is the only person ever mentioned that has/had anything to do with OI that had a live in Butler. Once SB died he left what he had to his 2nd wife I think it was, but once she died the butler was to get it all.. Any way to research if in the late 1700's to early 1800's farming with an ox could you really grow 10,000 cabbages an acre, on OI with 100% yield.. Just a guess but I guess not. Google claims it takes 60-100 days to grow cabbage to maturity.

 

[chalkoutline]

He didn't need the treasure to buy his land but, "IF" it is true that he shopped on the mainland with gold coins he did.. Plus he is the only person ever mentioned that has/had anything to do with OI that had a live in Butler. Once SB died he left what he had to his 2nd wife I think it was, but once she died the butler was to get it all.. Any way to research if in the late 1700's to early 1800's farming with an ox could you really grow 10,000 cabbages an acre, on OI with 100% yield.. Just a guess but I guess not. Google claims it takes 60-100 days to grow cabbage to maturity.

I remember the SB episode from years ago where the laguinas spun the story to make it sound like found treasure and was able buy several lots on oak island.
The premises...how could a poor cabbage farmer afford to buy all those lots?

I was just pointing out that cabbage was stored/eaten all winter so there was a high demand for cabbage and with his 4 acres he would have been able meet that demand.

Even at 4 pence it was a profitable business and the most likely source of income to purchase the additional lots.

He could have found treasure but he could also be a frugal hard working business man.

 

[dz302]

The story of the Oak Island money pit originated from the year 1795. At that time there were 3 teenage boys aged 16 years named Daniel McInnis along with his two friends John Smith and Anthony Vaughn. The three of them agreed to go on an adventure to Oak Island. They saw a depression under an oak tree and suspecting something could be buried there they started digging.
That's it. That's the whole mystery in one paragraph.
No pirate maps. No cryptic ciphers. Not even a secret confession from the gallows.
From that we have dozens of books, documentaries, and a popular reality show. And for what?
Just a "hunch" from 3 teenagers about 232 years ago.
Sorry, there is no treasure buried there and there never was.

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That being said, I would love to polish my shovel for a couple months out there.

dz

 

[Cryptid1990]

Hi Crypted. Apologies I thought this was answered via a response to a different question.
I am not choosing any stones or boulders or ignoring any either. My entire starting universe is 4 of Nolans Cross boulders, the Face or Offset stone depending on ypur terminology and 17 named stars.
1) the 17 named stars are preselected according to a fixed rule. 17 no more and no less.
2) I calculate their azimuths (rising and setting) precessed to 1200 AD on OI. Simply maths.
3) I drew alignments through the 4 boulders of Nolans Cross that were visible above ground since 1200 AD using the 17 pre-selected stars
4) Those alignments intersect at 6 meaningful points.
5) 2 of those points intersect at the 2 previously buried stones that have already been found. (Identified by 2 independent alignments intersecting, the stone Nolan found accidentally and Amundsens Kingdom Stone)
5) the other 4 are gps positions where I predict 4 others stones are located and each is identified by 3 independent alignments intersecting
6) those stone positions, 10 in total tell a story through the lens of Revelation in the Bible and the traditional meaning of the named stars in Persian Astrology.

Mixing Persian astrological nomenclature with Christian apocalyptic theology (Book of Revelation) and trying to link these to Oak Island in 1200 AD (through Templars) makes no sense since there is an obvious historical and cultural anachronism. How is Persian astrology connected to Christianity? Persian astrology was largely influenced by a synthesis of Hellenistic (Greek), Sanskrit, Babylonian and Zoroastrianism traditions, not Christianity. As for what else you are claiming:

• Why 1200 AD? There is no archaeological evidence of human construction on Oak Island in 1200 AD.
• Why 4 Boulders? Nolan's Cross (which is itself an arbitrary selection of stones scattered on the island) consists of five boulders forming the cross and an additional "head stone". Selecting four boulders while omitting the other two introduces yet more arbitrariness and bias.
• Why 17 Stars? The choice of 17 star catalog entries relies on modern astronomical naming conventions rather than how stars were categorised or prioritised in medieval Europe and Persia.

As for your maths, if I am not mistaken:

• 17 stars with 2 azimuths each (rising and setting) yields 34 direction vectors.
• Projecting 34 direction vectors from 4 origin points produces 136 distinct line projections.
• For 136 lines, that allows for up to 9,180 potential intersection points.

Confining thousands of potential intersections to a fairly small geographic area like Oak Island (~140 acres) makes finding points where lines intersect a mathematical certainty rather than an intentional design. This appears to be the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy where you are ignoring random variation in the data. You are finding coincidental clusters (intersection points) and treat these as meaningful proof of a specific and intentional pattern when they do not actually show this; in other words, you are inferring meaning from what is essentially a random distribution of data points. This relates to what I said earlier about apophenia.