my best Connecticut copper, variety type?

[mattysee]

found this coin the other day along with a king George II half penny. i never thought this coin would clean up this nice, it has a weird mark to the right of shield below the b in etlib, hoping to get an i.d. thanx

 

[park pirate]

Nice one brother..

 

[Ahab8]

That's a killer Ct bud! Don will nail it down for ya

 

[digging440yrs]

NICE HUNT !!

 

[I-DIG-IT]

Nice digs. On my wish list.

 

[Don in SJ]

Nice details showing, however, after looking thru my book and C4 auction catalogs, I have yet to ID the variety. It is a Miller 33Z series one, which there are so many to look at and differences are rather small on many of them. Hopefully I or someone else will nail it down, but now I have temporarily given up (yard work to do) Don

 

[Iron Patch]

This link should be of some help for anyone who sticks there nose into this one. In a way it's too bad they are mostly high grade and probably early die state, because matching that reverse die crack would be an instant ID, or very close to it.

Browse Catalogue of Stack's May 2005 New York Auction - Limited to: John J. Ford, Jr. Collection: Part 9 → The 1785-1788 Copper Coinage of Connecticut → The Issues of 1787

 

[Don in SJ]

Yeah IP, I looked for one with a crack to no avail. Wish I had a better photo ID book on CT's! Eyestrain using the Whitman book.... Got close several times, but then I would not find a match for the Obverse side to help confirm... Not too many with the 1787 date like this one is, thought for sure it would have been easy to ID, maybe later I will get another chance to look at it. The Pole points to the 1, that is another good indicator, besides the arm point to the E where it does. Don

 

[Iron Patch]

Yeah IP, I looked for one with a crack to no avail. Wish I had a better photo ID book on CT's! Eyestrain using the Whitman book.... Got close several times, but then I would not find a match for the Obverse side to help confirm... Not too many with the 1787 date like this one is, thought for sure it would have been easy to ID, maybe later I will get another chance to look at it. The Pole points to the 1, that is another good indicator, besides the arm point to the E where it does. Don

I didn't look long, but it seems like on the obverse the placement of the two pellets and star after Auctori would also be another good feature to include or exclude when ID'ing.

 

[Thigh66]

great coin - congrats!

 

[l.cutler]

I'd like to give a shout out to guys like Don and IP, many folks don't realize what goes into it when they ID a coin for people. It isn't just a quick look in a reference book, there are over 140 varieties of 1787 Connecticut coppers alone, over 350 varieties of all years. Many of these can be identified only by the slightest difference in punctuation or the placement of a letter or two, or some of the tiniest details. It takes a lot of time, good eyesight and skill to sort some of them out, especially on a dug or lower grade coin where details are obscured. I'll try to look into it when I get a chance as well.

 

[Iron Patch]

I'd like to give a shout out to guys like Don and IP, many folks don't realize what goes into it when they ID a coin for people. It isn't just a quick look in a reference book, there are over 140 varieties of 1787 Connecticut coppers alone, over 350 varieties of all years. Many of these can be identified only by the slightest difference in punctuation or the placement of a letter or two, or some of the tiniest details. It takes a lot of time, good eyesight and skill to sort some of them out, especially on a dug or lower grade coin where details are obscured. I'll try to look into it when I get a chance as well.

A few years back I was talking to someone who I would consider an expert on these, and after doing it for so many years he had a lot of little hints stored in his brain that allows him to look at almost any CT and get to the right section fast, and then just pick among a few which it is. He then asked me how I ID them, and my answer was.... similar to the old days of finger print analysis. He said yes that works too, but like you said it can take a lot of time, and when there`s so many rare varieties, and no good online reference material showing them all, it can be tough at times. The good news is there`s plenty enough detail on this one to ID, and the more difficult it is, can also be an indication of rarity, or at least we can hope so.

 

[SGT Claddy]

Hey I got that same coin I found at a old colonial home site yours is way nicer shape than mine congrats looks good

 

[Don in SJ]

OK, I THINK it might be this one. 1787 Connecticut Copper - Miller 33.34-W.2 I think the giveaway and final decision I made is based on the letter E with the sloping down lower part.. I would like a 2nd opinion on it being the 33.34-W.2. Rarity 5+ (recent auction catalog rating). Don

 

[mattysee]

thank you so much for the time spent and your i.d. do you think this coin should get graded?

 

[testing123]

that's a nice looking copper!

 

[Iron Patch]

OK, I THINK it might be this one. 1787 Connecticut Copper - Miller 33.34-W.2 I think the giveaway and final decision I made is based on the letter E with the sloping down lower part.. I would like a 2nd opinion on it being the 33.34-W.2. Rarity 5+ (recent auction catalog rating). Don

I think you probably have it. It's the only use of each die and that in itself is pretty good evidence you are right, because each side looks like a match. The only thing I can add, which isn't much, is the dug coin, one you posted from the book, and the one listed on coinfacts, are all have a weakly struck "Connec" even through the latter two are clearly an earlier die state having stronger detail and no cracking.... but yet still weak for those letters.

 

[dutchtoga]

Nice one. Try to keep the hot sauce off it. BANNER!!

 

[mattysee]

so i didnt really get an answer about the mark or die crack below the b on the reverse, what exactly is it and does it add value or hurt it? also as far as a rarity 5+ is it worth getting slabbed?

 

[l.cutler]

I agree, I was pretty sure on the obverse, but hadn't gotten to the reverse yet. That is a die break on the reverse, doesn't do anything one way or the other for the value, just a later die state. In my opinion, there is no reason to get it graded, all you will get is genuine, details grade and corroded. It is a great coin, but rarity 5 Connecticuts aren't terribly valuable except in better condition.