My Dowsing Test

[ClonedSIM]

Hey af1733....Peg Leg is correct...The facts are that you can not prove anything about Dowsing unless we do the testing. We have the edge so we pick the test. If you don't agree with this idea ...do your own test....Can you tell me why dowsing doesn't work?///Art

Wow, I totally missed this post of yours, Art.

We have the edge so we pick the test.
What?!?

Here's the flaw in your thinking. Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly. And you'll say the same thing if we test ourselves and post the results that dowsing is the same as guessing.

Try again.

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Here's the flaw in your thinking. Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly. And you'll say the same thing if we test ourselves and post the results that dowsing is the same as guessing.

Thank you for pointing out the flaw in my thinking. When you state that it shows dowsing to be the same as guessing dowsers I think you are WRONG....I have not read of any tests where dowsing guessing has been done except for my experiments with non-dowsers. I have read many so called Scientific Studies of dowsers where the dowsers beat the odds of random chance. They did not beat the odds by enough to be of any value to the scientist. This is in the judgement of the scientist. I can not tell you what they based their results on.

My thinking is.....Until someone does a study on chance guessing of dowsing there will be no answer. When you compare someones guess (and that is what the odds are right now) with the results of a test you will end up with no results at all. This is a proven fact...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

My thinking is.....Until someone does a study on chance guessing of dowsing there will be no answer. When you compare someones guess (and that is what the odds are right now) with the results of a test you will end up with no results at all. This is a proven fact...Art

I love this paragraph! My thinking is..~~~..this is a proven fact. -Art.

And what does this mean? Until someone does a study on chance guessing of dowsing there will be no answer. Chance guessing of dowsing?

And we'd love to do a study on dowsing versus guessing, but since you refuse to be tested and, as you put it, We have the edge so we pick the test. I don't think any scientist would be willing to work with you.

 

[Jean310]

My thinking is.....Until someone does a study on chance guessing of dowsing there will be no answer. When you compare someones guess (and that is what the odds are right now) with the results of a test you will end up with no results at all. This is a proven fact...Art

Better check your thinking(?).....

Could you describe how the study you are suggesting could be carried out?


Start your response to me using the following wording, and fill in the unknowns as appropriate. Thanks.

A Study On Chance Guessing of Dowsing would incorporate the following characteristics and protocol:

(then just list them) 1., 2., .... etc.

 

[aarthrj3811]

And we'd love to do a study on dowsing versus guessing, but since you refuse to be tested and, as you put it, We have the edge so we pick the test. I don't think any scientist would be willing to work with you.

One person doing a test proves nothing. 1000 people doing the same test would have some meaning. If 0 to 5 hits out of 100 is as close as you guys can guess what random chance is your out of luck...Art

 

[Jean310]

Art, could you please stick with this question, before you go bouncing around somewhere else?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28701.msg484402.html#msg484402

Thanks.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Art, could you please stick with this question, before you go bouncing around somewhere else?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28701.msg484402.html#msg484402

Thanks.

Don't count on it, sweetie! Art is the most ADHD person I've even spoken to, and I'm convinced there just isn't enough Ritalin....

 

[Jean310]

Art, could you please stick with this question, before you go bouncing around somewhere else?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28701.msg484402.html#msg484402

Thanks.

Don't count on it, sweetie! Art is the most ADHD person I've even spoken to, and I'm convinced there just isn't enough Ritalin....

I sensed that myself; but I thought if I wrote the first line for him he could continue on with the details.

You see, AF, I don't know what Chance Guessing of Dowsing is? Do you?

How would it be different from ordinary Random Selection or Ordinary Guessing?

I was hoping Art would enlighten us so we could proceed.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Sorry Lady...You will have to ask af as it is his term...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Art, could you please stick with this question, before you go bouncing around somewhere else?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28701.msg484402.html#msg484402

Thanks.

Don't count on it, sweetie! Art is the most ADHD person I've even spoken to, and I'm convinced there just isn't enough Ritalin....

I sensed that myself; but I thought if I wrote the first line for him he could continue on with the details.

You see, AF, I don't know what Chance Guessing of Dowsing is? Do you?

How would it be different from ordinary Random Selection or Ordinary Guessing?

I was hoping Art would enlighten us so we could proceed.

Ahh, you could have written half of his response for him and he still would have avoided the issue.

No, I really have no clue what Chance Guessing of Dowsing is. I've asked him, you've asked him, but I doubt he's asked himself. I had a thought it might have been a typo as he does make them occasionally.

 

[Jean310]

Sorry Lady...You will have to ask af as it is his term...Art

Whoa!

Wait a minute, Art. The last person I saw using the term was you, right in this thread.

Here is where you said it: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28701.msg484383.html#msg484383

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 02:06:20 PM
My thinking is.....Until someone does a study on chance guessing of dowsing there will be no answer. When you compare someones guess (and that is what the odds are right now) with the results of a test you will end up with no results at all. This is a proven fact...Art

Now, at the risk of repeating myself, and appearing similar to the way you post................

Could you describe how the study you are suggesting could be carried out?

Start your response to me using the following wording, and fill in the unknowns as appropriate. Thanks.

A Study On Chance Guessing of Dowsing would incorporate the following characteristics and protocol:

(then just list them) 1., 2., .... etc.

or, alternatively, here is another option; just say you have no idea how Chance Guessing of Dowsing differs from ordinary Guessing and/or Random Selection ----and we'll forget the whole thing. Deal?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Sorry Lady...You will have to ask af as it is his term...Art

Thanks for the catch, Jean.

Yes, Art. Please point out where I used the phrase "chance guessing of dowsing" because I'd be real interested to know where you saw it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thank you every one who has responded to my thread...My Dowsing test has been compared to Randi's and Carls Challenges. You all seem to agree that it is a good test. It seems the only problem with it is that there were no skeptics to verify my results. Unless a skeptic is at my house there will never be a skeptic to verify my results. ....Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: My Dowsing Test
« Reply #237 on: Today at 09:37:50 AM

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Jan 22, 2007, 07:40:53 AM
Hey af1733....Peg Leg is correct...The facts are that you can not prove anything about Dowsing unless we do the testing. We have the edge so we pick the test. If you don't agree with this idea ...do your own test....Can you tell me why dowsing doesn't work?///Art
Wow, I totally missed this post of yours, Art.

We have the edge so we pick the test.
What?!?

Here's the flaw in your thinking. Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly. And you'll say the same thing if we test ourselves and post the results that dowsing is the same as guessing.

Try again.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Thank you every one who has responded to my thread...My Dowsing test has been compared to Randi's and Carls Challenges. You all seem to agree that it is a good test. It seems the only problem with it is that there were no skeptics to verify my results. Unless a skeptic is at my house there will never be a skeptic to verify my results. ....Art

Yes, I agree that your test was on par with any other dowsing test, especially that it resulted in showing dowsing was right on par with guessing, which should show you once and for all that dowsing is guessing, with flair!

Now how about this:Please point out where I used the phrase "chance guessing of dowsing" because I'd be real interested to know where you saw it.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: My Dowsing Test
« Reply #237 on: Today at 09:37:50 AM

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Jan 22, 2007, 07:40:53 AM
Hey af1733....Peg Leg is correct...The facts are that you can not prove anything about Dowsing unless we do the testing. We have the edge so we pick the test. If you don't agree with this idea ...do your own test....Can you tell me why dowsing doesn't work?///Art
Wow, I totally missed this post of yours, Art.

We have the edge so we pick the test.
What?!?

Here's the flaw in your thinking. Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly. And you'll say the same thing if we test ourselves and post the results that dowsing is the same as guessing.

Try again.

OMG! Art, here's a prime example of not only why you should not take quotes out of context, but also the importance of punctuation.

This is the sentence in question: Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly.

Try reading it by color: Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly.

My comma should have been three words to the left. But even then, my sentence still does not resemble your mis-quote, "chance guessing of dowsing."

So, once more, try again...

 

[Jean310]

Re: My Dowsing Test
« Reply #237 on: Today at 09:37:50 AM

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Jan 22, 2007, 07:40:53 AM
Hey af1733....Peg Leg is correct...The facts are that you can not prove anything about Dowsing unless we do the testing. We have the edge so we pick the test. If you don't agree with this idea ...do your own test....Can you tell me why dowsing doesn't work?///Art
Wow, I totally missed this post of yours, Art.

We have the edge so we pick the test.
What?!?

Here's the flaw in your thinking. Whenever testing is done on dowsers, and it shows dowsing to be about the same as guessing dowsers, like you, get all up in arms because you say the test wasn't carried out correctly. And you'll say the same thing if we test ourselves and post the results that dowsing is the same as guessing.

Try again.

Art, are you trying to tell me (us) that you didn't mean to say Chance Guessing of Dowsing?

But in fact you mis-quoted AF when he mentioned "guessing dowsers"?

If that's true, just say you're sorry and you mis-quoted him.

By the way, we don't need to run any studies on "guessing dowsers", those numbers have long since been established and can be found in any Statistics and Probability text.

 

[Jean310]

Art, if dowsing actually worked, as you claim ---do you have any idea how much you could've made today, instead of spending your day here, spinning your wheels and making yourself look rather silly?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Jean...Thanks for worring about my money...The fact that there is snow on the ground and it is 14 degrees may have some thing to do with me being home today...Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=af1733 There's the inherent problem with dowsing and it's sources. No one follows the same set of dowsing rules.
Let's for a moment say dowsing is a working thing, an actual concept that works. It would have a source, a root, that
In simpler terms, since the theories either fall by the wayside eventually or are in direct contradiction with another theory or are simply too far-fetched for anyone but their creator to believe, what reasonable alternative are we left with? That dowsing is only a concept with no evidence, no cause, and no scientific backing.
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My my af you certainly must be a selective researcher, there are reams of positive indicative data on legitimate results on dowsing. Do your homework with an open mind on each end. not just look for negative results. my friend. Renew my faith in you.

Incidentally, there are no rules on dowsing yet, just personal ideas that help each to work at dowsing, it really does not matter whether it is correct or not if it helps them. Many of my fellow pilots would not fly unless they had their particular good luck charm with them, illogical as it may be, it helped them to better performance.

Tropical Tramp