My fave Kirk.

[*Molly*]

I would like to show a fine example of a Kirk, it's made from Agatized Coral, it was found in GA.
This point is one of my favourites, beautiful material.
I experimented a little & floated it, framed it too, I think it looks neat, just thought I would share it with my friends.
I couldn't decide which pic, so I put both on, anyone want any tips on floating points, just ask, be glad to help.

Molly.

 

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[Bent-Twig]

Molly

I said that I would post pics of my Kirks, but after looking at the pics in this thread I have to say that I dont know what a Kirk is! The points in my collection that were Kirks to me are not the same. Somewhere along the way I got the wrong idea of what a Kirk was. So I have to say that I am embarrased but I will post you a pic of what I used to think Kirks were. Anyway , now I have something to study up on. Here is a pic of my Kirks that are not Kirks , if that makes any sense.

Happy Huntin' , Bent-Twig.

 

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[The Grim Reaper]

Molly, I got your message and I'll try to take a stab at Bent-Twigs points. The one to the far right looks kind of like a Buck Creek to me. Robert Converse calls these an Expanding Stem Point. The grey serrated stemmed point looks like a Heavy Duty Serrated Point. The other two I'm not so sure about. The other stemmed serrated point could possibly be another Heavy Duty Serrated Point, but the small one I don't have a clue about.

I got all of these types out of Robert Converse's book Ohio Flint Types.

 

[ohio]

Dork, I hear you on the "kirkfusion". One thing that I like about Converse is that he is not overly quick to place a particular point into a really specific type. Instead of cramming a point into a title such as "Thebes", he may suggest archaic bevel. The same is often done with bifurcates instead of breaking them down into narrow, and often arguable subtypes. I guess i think it is not only safer but, likely more often correct. This is certainly not to say that regional or local varieties do not exist.

I guess my thought (as if it really matters) is that Kirk (like Gary and Adena) seems to be used often and incorrectly by many collectors as a blanket or catch all term. It is my opinion that the two points (bifurcated) in the second photo as well as the Mercer example in the third photo below them are DEFINITELY classic examples. I would have reposted the pics but, it would not let me for some reason. Again, this is only my opinion. Everybody get out and find some dang points!
Chuck

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I know what you mean Chuck. It seems that almost every corner notched point you see on Ebay is a Kirk. The top one in my pics could be a Dovetail as well as a Kirk since it has characteristics of both types and both are from the same time period. When I first acquired that point my first thought was a Dove, but it was listed as a Kirk at the auction. I showed it to several different people and got several different views, some saying Kirk and some saying Dove. I came to the conclusion it was a Kirktail Point. lol

The point on the bottom is a no brainer Kirk and a personal find. I found it as I was being ran out of a farmers field about 25 years ago. He had told me I could hunt it when it wasn't planted and I got a littel brave and tried to go in after the corn came up and he hollered at me to get out of the field. As I was walking back to my car I saw the tip of this sticking up out of the ground and just reached down and pulled it up without breaking stride. I was shocked when I saw what it was.

As for the two in the middle picture, the one on the left came from the same field as the black on I found while walking out of the field and is a no brainer Kirk Stemmed Point. The other I'm not so sure if it's a Kirk or not. It has the same base type, but doesn't have any of the serrations that are so common on these types. I think it may just be a large Bifurcate of some kind, maybe even McCorkle related.

Here's a couple more pics of the "Kirktail".

 

[vibes]

WOW...nice one Molly!

Ya know I've never found an arrowhead...nope, nothing, nada, butkis.

I'm toying with the idea of heading to Ohio and hunt along the Vermillion River. there's a beautiful stretch on property found on a family member's farm.

Now I just need to find the time.

vibes

 

[*Molly*]

First of all Twig, no need to be embarrassed,lots of ppl type points incorrectly, I mean even Pros debate about point types, so don't fret.
I can see why you thought they might be Kirks though, the grey point does look like a Kirk-Stemmed, if found here in NC it would be classed as just that.
I agree with Steve on the last point looking like a Buck Creek, it as all the traits. I personally would class all the others as Early Archaic Serrated Stemmed points. Fine examples too, the grey point is very fine indeed. Thankyou for posting those, all part of learning typology.

Thankyou for your input Steve & Chuck, this is a little out my region, I too am learning. 'Kirkfusion' is a understatement, there are so many different styles. The rounded base throws my judgement too.

When I first started collecting/hunting I hadn't a clue, so most of my new finds I conferred with an expert I know, here in NC.
Its just lately, with more knowledge I study my Kirks in more detail, realising one can't just class every serrated,stemmed point as a Kirk,
again studying & typing these types comes with experience & knowledge.

I have 30 Kirks(?), they need looking at in more detail. What puzzles me is there are Kirk Stemmed & Archaic Stemmed, how is one supposed to tell the difference?
Here are just a few of my Kirks. Twig has you can see in pic1, a grey serrated,stemmed Kirk, see the similarities....

Just hope this works, I haven't been able to post any pics lately, fingers crossed.

Molly.

 

[*Molly*]

YAY it worked, at last.
Here are a few more, these are well used, I'm yet to find any more like these, Black Rholite. I favour these, i like the points with two tones.
All Kirk-Notched.

 

[*Molly*]

WOW...nice one Molly!

Ya know I've never found an arrowhead...nope, nothing, nada, butkis.

I'm toying with the idea of heading to Ohio and hunt along the Vermillion River. there's a beautiful stretch on property found on a family member's farm.

Now I just need to find the time.

vibes

You might find watching videos on Youtube 'Arrowhead hunting' helpful, also there are sites on the net, advising where to look.
Good luck in the future, keep looking.

Molly.

 

[creekhunter]

We used to Joke that anything we weren't sure of was a kirk I have studied that type for a while as well the rounded base is so barely in the type, I usually push that into the "Archaic Beveled" as well as the "St. Charles" variety, talk about a cf... here is one of my favorite personally found kirk's of the hard enough to type variety!

 

[*Molly*]

That's a fine point Creek, I know what you mean about the rounde based points. An expert friend of mine says all my round based points are Kirks,I'm just not convinced I guess with more study & experience I'll be able to know for sure.

Thanks for your post.
Thanks to everyone.

Molly.