✅ SOLVED Need help with ID

[spudnuts11]

I know the trowel,dime,sinker.
What are the other two items?

Thanks
SPUD

 

[SaberC]

I know the trowel,dime,sinker.
What are the other two items?

Thanks
SPUD

The smaller item is an expended (fired) bullet and the round one is the base of a 12 gauge shotgun hull.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The smaller item is an expended (fired) bullet and the round one is the base of a 12 gauge shotgun hull.

I agree

Hard to see but looks like UMC 12 gauge Union Metallic Cartridge

 

[Hot zone]

The hollow base on the bullet is most often used with muzzle loaded rifle because bullets were often smaller than the bore, so many could be fired before cleaning...the hollow base expands into the grooves providing a good fit in the barrel when fired... The diameter, number of grooves and bullet wt provide more clues as to the gun!

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Sorry, but the bullet is definitely not for a muzzleloader rifle or pistol. Notice that in the baseview photo the bullet's color is the same as the lead sinker next to it, it is the same color as the shotgun cartridge's base and the copper-nickel clad dime. The bullet is a 20th Century "copper-jacketed" bullet... which means a lead-bodied bullet covered by a thin copper shell. Your fired bullet's front-end "mushroomed" due to hard impact on a solid object. See examples of unfired and fired "mushroomed: ones in the photos below. Based on comparing your fired bullet's undamaged base size with the dime's known .705" diameter, the bullet seems to be a .38-caliber pistol bullet.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hello CBG. Its hard to tell from the pics or my eyes are not working as good but I think you are correct. I didnt realize how small it was.

Thats the great part about TN if someone makes a mistake, someone else will correct it.

 

[spudnuts11]

That my friend,is vary helpful info,as i am a stotgun guy.

Thank for the pics,I shall keep then for record

SPUD

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Hello BigCypressHunter. I'm happy to see you posting here in the What-Is-It forum again. We ID-helpers have missed you and your considerable ID-knowledge. Welcome back.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hello BigCypressHunter. I'm happy to see you posting here in the What-Is-It forum again. We ID-helpers have missed you and your considerable ID-knowledge. Welcome back.

Thanks. Im in town for 4 months then back to the swamp.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

That my friend,is vary helpful info,as i am a stotgun guy.


SPUD

There is a site that dates the headstamps but everything is on my computer tower in storage. Maybe someone remembers this site. I think it says NEW CLUB on the headstamp.

 

[spudnuts11]

Thanks, if anyone knows the site let me know.

SPUD