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One-of-a-kind eluvial placer deposit found in Colorado with a metal detector.

Steve Wagy

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Hello everyone. I search for native gold and silver in the Central Colorado volcanic field and one day my metal detector went wild. I didn't find an eluvial placer deposit that contained precious metal. I found a deposit that has never been seen before. Over 160 native (natural) aluminum, brass, copper alloy, iron and zinc nuggets were found - the rarest of the rare. I've cleaned up most of the nuggets. The first image is a native aluminum nugget:
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The second image is a native zinc nugget:
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The third image is a native brass nugget:
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The fourth image is a unique copper alloy nugget:
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The fifth image is what could be a native bronze nugget (it will be analyzed by XRF in the future):
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The sixth image is the ONLY known native iron nugget ever found (NOT Telluric) and is embedded in volcanic glass (still magnetic!!!):
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31 nuggets have been analyzed by XRF and the largest aluminum nugget has been Certified by XRF. 20 more will be analyzed in May. I made the find with a DR.ÖTEK metal detector and have continued to find metal with a Minelab Equinox 900 metal detector. You can read all about the find at https://www.raremineralsforsale.com/.
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The 818 gram native aluminum nugget. An unofficial world record. Massive for any native metal nugget.
 
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Let's keep it scientific bc. I'm not going to tolerate being called or being suggested a fraud. I am not and this is a real placer deposit. FYI, here is a Wikipedia link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Native_aluminium.jpg ... "Native aluminum is one of the rarest native elements that can be found in a mineral collection." Just because it hasn't been found before doesn't mean it can't be found and in this case it does already exist. I also live in the middle of a volcanic region well known for metal. Cripple Creek is just down the road. The XRF analyses tell us what these are and believe me I was hoping for silver. Tons of silver and gold has been mined in the area. All the XRF links are on the home page and are downloadable. Every XRF is unique like a fingerprint. You can tell by looking at the percentages of elements that there is no way a human could forge these and they most certainly wouldn't have the level of corrosion present. 27 elements (excluding light elements) in the XRF's: Al, Zn, W, Si, Cu, Fe, Cr, Hf, P, Mn, Sb, K, Pb, Ni, Ca, Sn, Ti, Cd, S, Cl, Bi, Zr, Pd, V, Ta, Mg, Rh. We don't sell lead in our beer cans. If anyone has a question about the XRF's or the find please ask but do not tell me stuff like this: "boy oh boy it gets deep". You know what your are suggesting. There are forum rules and they are posted above.

To be honest your aluminum nuggets look exactly like the ones I made and place in some of a clubs claims to excite some new members.

Brass:
The primary constituent metals in brass are copper (\(Cu\)) and zinc (\(Zn\)). It is an alloy designed for strength, corrosion resistance, and malleability, typically containing 55% to 95% copper and 5% to 45% zinc. Other trace elements, such as lead or tin, may be added to enhance specific properties

Bronze:
Bronze is a metal alloy consisting primarily of copper (usually 88–90%) and tin (usually 10–12%). It may also include other elements to enhance properties, such as aluminum, nickel, silicon, manganese, or zinc. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Common Components & Types of Bronze
  • Copper (\(Cu\)): The primary base metal, usually making up the majority of the alloy.
  • Tin (\(Sn\)): The main alloying ingredient, which creates standard "tin bronze".
Aluminum:

Aluminium is primarily produced from bauxite ore, a reddish clay-like soil found in tropical/subtropical regions that contains high levels of aluminium oxide (alumina). Bauxite is refined to create alumina, which is then reduced using electricity into pure aluminium metal. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Details in Aluminium Production:
  • Source Material: Bauxite is mined, which consists of aluminum compounds, iron oxides, and silicon.
  • The Process:
    1. Bayer Process: Refines bauxite into aluminium oxide (alumina).
    2. Hall-Héroult Process: Smelts alumina into pure aluminium metal using electrolysis.
    3. Raw Material Ratio: It generally takes 4 tons of bauxite to produce 2 tons of alumina, resulting in 1 ton of aluminium metal.
    4. Alternative Source: Aluminium is frequently recycled, which takes far less energy than extracting it from bauxite. [1, 2, 3, 4]
 
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All this talk about the metal, no one is gonna question the claimed volcanic glass? As someone who worked with glass for many years including making colored glass from metal oxides....there is no way the majority of that glass shown is volcanic glass. Something ain't right here.
 
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Most specimens have some tin in them. The deposit is very rare for sure. The Hf is what intrigued the guy who did the XRF's. He'd never seen that and it is valuable apparently. "It can only combine with copper to create bronze once it has been crushed and subsequently heated to burn off the oxygen." (i.e. Volcano).
XRF (X-ray fluorescence) is highly accurate for elemental analysis but is not "totally" or perfectly accurate in every scenario. It is a powerful, non-destructive tool that often provides results within 0.1%–0.5% of laboratory methods like fire assay, but accuracy depends heavily on sample preparation, material homogeneity, and proper user calibration
 
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All this talk about the metal, no one is gonna question the claimed volcanic glass? As someone who worked with glass for many years including making colored glass from metal oxides....there is no way the majority of that glass shown is volcanic glass. Something ain't right here.
He is off on that also volcanic glass is not flat, it is black, but some stones can be confused with volcanic glass. About one a year I go to Stafford and collect Stafforites which is a type of glass.
"Saffordites (often called "Cintamani stones") are rare, lavender-to-grey, translucent pseudo-tektites found near Safford, Arizona. Highly prized by collectors for their pitted, water-etched, obsidian-like texture, they are often used in metaphysical practices for grounding, high-vibration energy, and abundance."
 
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Here are some of the uncleaned nugget images: View attachment 2252659
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I would like to correct you on a certain part of your statement. I think we've gotten to the bottom of your objection. You're annoyed because you aren't the one who first found something.

I'm not annoyed at all Steve-far from it actually.
See I don't ever get upset at viewing a post of a picture
showing a recovery of anything.
I have been in this hobby for my entire life, dug dirt though metal detecting for over 55 yrs, previous that we searched for minerals, native artifacts.
I have my collections and I applaud other's for their recoveries.

Though I stand by a saying that some things are nothing more than "Lipstick on a pig"
So best of luck doing what you are trying to do, and I'm glad I don't have to sleep on your pillow.

I leave you with this "Honesty is the best policy"
 
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Find these XRF reports fascinating to the point where I needed to ask questions to a higher intelligence for an answer.

Reasons being, I have bought and sold 1000's of tons of aluminum in my life career as a non-ferrous scrap metal dealer. I've seen hundreds of XRF readings from the mid 1980's to today.
Back in the late 80's early 90's they'd still melt a sample into a button then analyzed that button.
XRF readings are accurate no less but only penetrates the surface 1-5mm on aluminum. Yet they give a true reading of that surface.
Aluminum has 7 categories 1000-7000 series. In those series there was if I remember correctly around 400 unique wrought alloys categories of different mixtures of the 7.

NOTE TO READERS:
These answers are all answered by an higher intelligence and are for reference only. It's a copy/paste of what was said.

Based on the XRF lab test results you provided, there are significant geological and technical reasons to be highly skeptical of these being "natural" aluminum nuggets.

Analysis of the XRF Results​

The XRF data confirms that these samples are primarily composed of Aluminum (Al), often ranging from 50% to over 90%. However, the specific elemental "fingerprint" strongly suggests industrial origin rather than a natural geological formation:

  • Elemental Mix (Al-Zn-Cu-Fe): Many samples show high concentrations of Zinc (Zn), Copper (Cu), and Iron (Fe) alongside the Aluminum. This is a classic signature of recycled aluminum alloys (like the 6000 or 7000 series used in manufacturing and cans) rather than "native" aluminum.
  • Presence of LE (Light Elements): Several samples show a high percentage of "LE" (Light Elements like Carbon, Oxygen, etc.). This often indicates oxidation or the presence of non-metallic impurities common in industrial slagor melted waste.
  • Visual Appearance: Looking at the photos in the report (Samples 2, 5, 10, 18), the shapes are "globular" and "ropy". This is the typical appearance of molten metal that has been poured onto a surface or into water—effectively "backyard" or industrial melt-offs.

Why This Points to a Scam​

While the lab test itself might be real (meaning a machine actually scanned these pieces), the interpretation that these are "natural nuggets" is where the scam lies.

  1. Native Aluminum doesn't look like this: Natural native aluminum is almost exclusively found as microscopic grains. Finding twenty "nuggets" of this size in one location is geologically impossible by current scientific understanding.
  2. The "Rare Minerals" Website: The site you linked is widely discussed in rockhounding and geology communities as a source of misidentified industrial byproduct (slag). They use legitimate-looking XRF reports to "prove" the metal content, but the metal content itself is exactly what you'd find if you melted down old car parts or soda cans.

Summary​

These are almost certainly man-made aluminum melt-offs, not rare natural treasures. They have zero value to mineral collectors and are worth only their weight in scrap metal.
Would you like help finding a reputable mineral dealer or a guide on how to identify natural native metals?



On the scale of 1-100 are the nuggets a man made aluminum mixture


On a scale of 1 to 100, the probability that these nuggets are a man-made aluminum mixture (industrial slag) is 99.
Conversely, the probability that they are "true natural nuggets" is less than 1. Here is why the data points so overwhelmingly toward them being man-made:

1. Geological Impossibility
Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the Earth's crust, but it is never found in its pure state in nature under normal conditions. It binds almost instantly with oxygen to form minerals like bauxite. Verified "native aluminum" exists only as microscopic specks in extreme environments, like volcanic pipes or deep-sea vents. A 400g or 800g nugget of native aluminum has never been scientifically documented in the history of mineralogy.

2. The "Alloy" Fingerprint (XRF Evidence)
The XRF report you shared shows a mixture of aluminum with significant amounts of zinc, copper, and iron. This is not a "natural" signature; it is the exact chemical recipe for commercial aluminum alloys (like the 6000 or 7000 series used in auto parts and structural beams).
  • Natural native metals (like gold or silver) usually contain specific trace elements like tellurium or mercury.
  • These samples contain the specific additives used by factories to make aluminum stronger.

3. Visual Characteristics of "Slag"
The "globular" and "melted" look of the items in the photos is a textbook example of aluminum slag.
  • Origin: This material is created when aluminum is melted down (e.g., in a house fire, an industrial accident, or backyard smelting) and poured onto the ground or into water.
  • Commonality: Collectors often find these with metal detectors on beaches or near old industrial sites and mistake them for rare minerals.

4. Expert Consensus
In the mineralogy and geology communities, the site Rare Minerals For Sale is widely recognized as a scam operation. They sell common industrial waste (worth roughly $1–$2 per pound as scrap) for hundreds of dollars by attaching "official-looking" technical reports that most buyers don't know how to interpret.
OK, you've said your peace. Sorry, you are absolutely wrong. No one could make the variety of mixtures present. You've posted a range of Wikipedia snippets and ignored clear evidence like the volcanic glass and the advanced decomposition. In fact, every time I clearly counter your claims you ignore them. And 4. above is BS. Prestige Minerals & Gems is a well known business and they do the XRF's. End your posts. If you don't want something don't buy it.
 
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All this talk about the metal, no one is gonna question the claimed volcanic glass? As someone who worked with glass for many years including making colored glass from metal oxides....there is no way the majority of that glass shown is volcanic glass. Something ain't right here.
I have to admit, I too was questioning all that glass, especially the brown, clear, green, and blue.
 
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Sorry, you are absolutely wrong. No one could make the variety of mixtures present.
What mixtures are you referring to Steve? The industrial dross, or splatter, or ant hill pours?
Because if you claim they're of a natural nugget I will call it as I see it-and I have established that they are one of the above.
Totally man made mixtures because it's not possible to have those XRF readings in a natural setting.
Well maybe off the floor, under a campfire pit from days gone bye.
 
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I have to admit, I too was questioning all that glass, especially the brown, clear, green, and blue.
Here are some better images that I just shot. Lots of embedded material and nothing looks blown. Nothing is symmetrical. The thickness varies wildly. If you could put the dark blue in your fingers it is twisted and geologically worn. I'm looking for the larger piece. Obsidian that I've seen does exist in brown, black and dark green. If I have to come out and say this to others, no it's not slag. No manufacturing of any kind at this elevation. No power. No water. Plus, slag glass sold online is very clear and is one big hunk. This stuff is totally different.
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What mixtures are you referring to Steve? The industrial dross, or splatter, or ant hill pours?
Because if you claim they're of a natural nugget I will call it as I see it-and I have established that they are one of the above.
Totally man made mixtures because it's not possible to have those XRF readings in a natural setting.
Well maybe off the floor, under a campfire pit from days gone bye.
"Totally man made mixtures because it's not possible to have those XRF readings in a natural setting." There it is. More erroneous claims. That sentence doesn't make any sense. Yes this is possible and if anyone wants to challenge a Certified XRF then call up Prestige Minerals & Gems and challenge them. The rare minerals industry knows Donald quite well.
 
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"Totally man made mixtures because it's not possible to have those XRF readings in a natural setting." There it is. More erroneous claims. That sentence doesn't make any sense. Yes this is possible and if anyone wants to challenge a Certified XRF then call up Prestige Minerals & Gems and challenge them. The rare minerals industry knows Donald quite well.
I'm not saying the XRF readings in a natural setting Steve.
The XRF is correct-no doubting the read outs of the XRF.

It's the source of material that is in question-always has been-and always will be.
Simply put as gentle as this.
You claim that the samples tested are from a natural nugget.
There isn't one nugget ever found on this planet even coming close to your claim.

So your claim is not even valid going on what has been found on this planet.
Your samples are generated from manmade material-not found in a natural element.

Prove me wrong Steve.
 
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I'm not saying the XRF readings in a natural setting Steve.
The XRF is correct-no doubting the read outs of the XRF.

It's the source of material that is in question-always has been-and always will be.
Simply put as gentle as this.
You claim that the samples tested are from a natural nugget.
There isn't one nugget ever found on this planet even coming close to your claim.

So your claim is not even valid going on what has been found on this planet.
Your samples are generated from manmade material-not found in a natural element.

Prove me wrong Steve.
I will prove you wrong. Your entire objection is based on probability and current knowledge on the internet. Meaningless. You must think mankind is at its peak and can't find anything new. This is a new find and lots of new data to look at.
 
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Here are some better images that I just shot. Lots of embedded material and nothing looks blown. Nothing is symmetrical. The thickness varies wildly. If you could put the dark blue in your fingers it is twisted and geologically worn. I'm looking for the larger piece. Obsidian that I've seen does exist in brown, black and dark green. If I have to come out and say this to others, no it's not slag. No manufacturing of any kind at this elevation. No power. No water. Plus, slag glass sold online is very clear and is one big hunk. This stuff is totally different.View attachment 2252717
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Thanks for these up close shots and the quick reply. These pieces of glass are very cool, no matter their origins! I know you have said all this material come from a remote location with no water, no industrial history, but do you know if any mining ever went on here? I imagine with the rich supply of metals you are uncovering here that this would have been a highly desirable location for mining back in the day. The reason I ask is when I look at these, they look to me a lot like peaces of melted bottles - maybe something that would have been used by 19th century miners. I will readily admit living in the east I don't have lot of experience with obsidian, but have seen a fair share of melted glass on historic sites such as buildings that have burned down. The thin layers melted together on the brown piece look very similar to bottle walls that have melted and collapsed on top of one another. Obsidian that I have seen before usually is in big chunks.
 
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Thanks for these up close shots and the quick reply. These pieces of glass are very cool, no matter their origins! I know you have said all this material come from a remote location with no water, no industrial history, but do you know if any mining ever went on here? I imagine with the rich supply of metals you are uncovering here that this would have been a highly desirable location for mining back in the day. The reason I ask is when I look at these, they look to me a lot like peaces of melted bottles - maybe something that would have been used by 19th century miners. I will readily admit living in the east I don't have lot of experience with obsidian, but have seen a fair share of melted glass on historic sites such as buildings that have burned down. The thin layers melted together on the brown piece look very similar to bottle walls that have melted and collapsed on top of one another. Obsidian that I have seen before usually is in big chunks.
No mining at this spot. This stuff came out of the same spot as the metal. Volcanic glass is not uncommon in this region. People walk right by it thinking its trash. If you look online you'll see plenty of obsidian that looks like this, except for the blue/water-white one's. That may be unique to the deposit. And I don't want to say this but I had two crystalline aluminum specimens that I destroyed in a bad hydrochloric acid experiment when I thought I had a silver deposit. One crystalline aluminum specimen looked exactly like crystalline silver I've seen online. Round and looked like a snowflake. The other was similar but spiraled like an ice cream cone. If I find another one it will be hard to disprove.
 
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I see melted bottles for some of those. I also see so.e of the clear glass shows signs of having decolorants. You are missing something with the history of this location. A burnt home, possible metal smelting, a camp site, or something along those lines
 
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If anyone has a recommendation for a different type of analysis and the place that does it please let me know.

Steve, a simple Google search for "mineral testing labs" should bring you
bunches of labs to choose from, and there is likely one close to your area.

Did find this one:


Before any testing is done, I'd be sure to ask them how much material will be
required for testing purposes, etc.
 
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I see melted bottles for some of those. I also see so.e of the clear glass shows signs of having decolorants. You are missing something with the history of this location. A burnt home, possible metal smelting, a camp site, or something along those lines
It's not any of this. There is no foundation, no burnt wood, no camp. It's on the side of a mountain and I had to excavate it - remote alpine Colorado. In this area the old prospectors built buildings so they could mine year round. They are everywhere. I almost have a line of site to Cloverdale mine. These buildings are part of Colorado history and we can't metal detect them. This site is nothing like the mining camps. Hopefully someone with experience in volcanic glass can chime in but I appreciate your comment.
 
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Steve, a simple Google search for "mineral testing labs" should bring you
bunches of labs to choose from, and there is likely one close to your area.

Did find this one:


Before any testing is done, I'd be sure to ask them how much material will be
required for testing purposes, etc.
Thanks Dizzy. I actually have a nice collection of uncleaned nuggets. Plenty of material. I'm arranging the next XRF's with PMG and I'll talk with Donald about different types of analyses that can prove natural metal. I've also sent a request to SGS. I told them I need analyses that will prove they are natural. I'll keep everyone posted.
 
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