PLEASE help me identify this... I found it detecting the beach in SE Florida!!!

[Nighthawk20]

PLEASE help me identify this Golden Turtle. Found on a beach in SE Florida!!!

I was detecting one of my favorite spots in South Florida on the East coast.. I went at low tide and saw that there was a section that was cut out of the sand and like 3 feet of sand was taken away from the last time I was there. So I went to that spot and started gridding it. Was only a pass into my grid plan and I found this... I have not tested it for gold yet but I believe it is...(at least am hoping it is) It is laying on a 1896 morgan silver dollar in the picture and weighs 1.25 oz... The numbers on the bottom are what I have been told could be possibly the free mason magic box or even date back thousands of years in china, india, and middle east... It was all absolutley hand done and it seems to be extremely old...

As soon as I got my hands on it I got the rush that it was treasure... I feel it may be off of the 1715 Spanish fleet or one of the other many vessels that sank in the straights of florida back in the day. Either way I am very interested in hearing what everyone has to say about it and I am going to get to the bottom of identifying it some how because I am very excited about it.

Any input would be awesome... Thank you! God Bless!!

 

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[TomPA]

Neat! Here's to hoping it is gold, but from the picture it sort of looks like brass. Looking forward to an ID.

 

[A2coins]

Wow I hope this is a great treasure for you!!!! That is freakin awesome

 

[Nighthawk20]

I am not sure as to what the metal is but what makes you say it looks like brass? If you don't mind explaining a little more?

 

[Nighthawk20]

Thank You!

 

[CTwoods]

from the picture it sort of looks like brass. .

.....It is a very poorly done, very rough sand casting, which shows hastily done file marks made by very coarse flat files and round files.

It shows absolutely no signs of sand wear from being in the ocean very long at all.

I mentioned hastily done, to indicate it was made quickly, with little care of obtaining a quality finished product.....just like mass produced 3rd world items for the tourist trade.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

It's from the Jesuits. Not free mason's. It a real nice find. And welcome to Treasure Net.

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[BigWaveDave]

Looks like a Soduko game, or something to that effect...
All numbers add up to 15...

 

[cw0909]

cool find, all directions adds up to 15
sudoku cheat sheet?

 

[cw0909]

dave seen it too, LOL

 

[BigWaveDave]

I got it...it's a Lo Shu square, magical turtle that emerged from the water with the curious and unnatural days in each of the 24 cycles of the Chinese Solar year.... Each add to 15, every direction...
Magic squares...
Google it, I can't add a link, cuz I suck with the computer...

 

[kcm]

Tourist trinket. The numbers make up something called "The Magic Square", and it is often put on many novelty items.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square

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[AU Seeker]

I got it...it's a Lo Shu square, magical turtle that emerged from the water with the curious and unnatural days in each of the 24 cycles of the Chinese Solar year.... Each add to 15, every direction...
Magic squares...
Google it, I can't add a link, cuz I suck with the computer...

Great ID!

Here's the link..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo_Shu_Square

 

[kcm]

Great photo tamrock! I didn't know you were there in person for that event??

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was detecting one of my favorite spots in South Florida on the East coast.. I went at low tide and saw that there was a section that was cut out of the sand and like 3 feet of sand was taken away from the last time I was there. So I went to that spot and started gridding it. Was only a pass into my grid plan and I found this... I have not tested it for gold yet but I believe it is...(at least am hoping it is) It is laying on a 1896 morgan silver dollar in the picture and weighs 1.25 oz... The numbers on the bottom are what I have been told could be possibly the free mason magic box or even date back thousands of years in china, india, and middle east... It was all absolutley hand done and it seems to be extremely old...

As soon as I got my hands on it I got the rush that it was treasure... I feel it may be off of the 1715 Spanish fleet or one of the other many vessels that sank in the straights of florida back in the day. Either way I am very interested in hearing what everyone has to say about it and I am going to get to the bottom of identifying it some how because I am very excited about it.

Any input would be awesome... Thank you! God Bless!!

Well its always exciting to search on the treasure coast but unfortunately even a 3 foot cut is usually not deep enough to find heavy metals like a gold piece from the 1715 fleet unless it hits rock, hardpan or packed shell bottom,.. There is way too much beach renourishment. That being said, it was a great ID of a modern trinket item and dont ever give up and hit those beaches after the next hurricane. It must be great to live on the treasure coast.

Some of my post hurricane treasure beaches finds.

 

[austin]

Told you before, a math teacher's paperweight. I have seen one before at a teacher supply store. Sorry...

 

[relic lover]

.....It is a very poorly done, very rough sand casting, which shows hastily done file marks made by very coarse flat files and round files.

It shows absolutely no signs of sand wear from being in the ocean very long at all.

I mentioned hastily done, to indicate it was made quickly, with little care of obtaining a quality finished product.....just like mass produced 3rd world items for the tourist trade.

pretty much what I was thinking gold probably would have been finished off a little nicer. Just another case of the Sudoku cheat sheet turtle LOL

 

[Backwoodsbob]

It is a magic square. Made by a jesuit. Notice the 56 in the upper right corner. The 357 in the center that is a clue. 3+5=8×7=56. Between the 9 and 56. Is the preist. Turn it up side down. You can see his head notice the hat. That all you need to know ow at the moment. If you want be sell it. Let me know

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[DCMatt]

Vastu Wealth Turtle. You can buy them on Amazon. (Then again, what CAN'T you buy on Amazon...)

https://www.amazon.com/WEALTH-TURTL...dp/B0044MK406?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

 

[Doubter in MD]

Vastu Wealth Turtle. You can buy them on Amazon. (Then again, what CAN'T you buy on Amazon...)

https://www.amazon.com/WEALTH-TURTL...dp/B0044MK406?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

I didn't see where they were being made by Jesuits. Maybe I missed it?