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I sent you this in pm also...


Ok I'm gonna explain this easier.... follow me on this.

Let's say a page in the book used is as follows:

"I went out in search of a hidden treasure and what I found was a new world."

Is you had a cipher as follows:

1, 5, 8, 16,17

It would decode as:

"I search hidden new world"

Where the number 5 is the word "search"

Is that simple... the challenge is knowing what text was used
 

The truth of the Beale Ciphers is that only a specific type person was ever to be able to solve 1&3. It was the way to ensure those listed in #3 or their kin, would get their share.
While the average person may take 65M and run, the small group of people with the knowlege able to solve it , value truth and honor above money.
 

ThePantomath said:
I sent you this in pm also...


Ok I'm gonna explain this easier.... follow me on this.

Let's say a page in the book used is as follows:

"I went out in search of a hidden treasure and what I found was a new world."

Is you had a cipher as follows:

1, 5, 8, 16,17

It would decode as:

"I search hidden new world"

Where the number 5 is the word "search"

Is that simple... the challenge is knowing what text was used
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You provided the following letters
T-E-O-G
A-T-U-A
if TEOG are locations 84 to 87 and ATUA are for locations 188 to 191 then something isn't right..

Both locations 87 and 189 contain cipher number 436 yet you indicate that at location 87 a word starting with G while location 189 which has the same cipher number (436) is a word starting with T.

It's probably just a counting mistake which is easy to make. Just confirm the letters are correct for the locations.
 

omg dude if the number on the cipher is 934 then you count the words in the text used to make the cipher and the 934th word in whatever book or document he used to make the cipher is the word for number 934. You are OVERTHINKING it. It's simple simple simple.

forget your EVERYTHING. Nothing of yours will make sense using my method, there's no encoding other than word for word. If you know the book or document he used then you have an exact word for word solution by just counting words and replacing the cipher numbers with those words.
 

ThePantomath said:
omg dude if the number on the cipher is 934 then you count the words in the text used to make the cipher and the 934th word in whatever book or document he used to make the cipher is the word for number 934. You are OVERTHINKING it. It's simple simple simple.

forget your EVERYTHING. Nothing of yours will make sense using my method, there's no encoding other than word for word. If you know the book or document he used then you have an exact word for word solution by just counting words and replacing the cipher numbers with those words.
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If he numbered one document then there would only be one word at "436". Therefore, when Cipher 1 is applied to that ducument, you should still only get one word, even if the cipher uses the number 436 multiple times. This is not what you sent me. At location 87, 436 is G and 189 is T. This means you're getting two different words from the same number.

Are you saying he used two documents: one document for Cipher locations 84 to 87 which has 436 and then a different document for 188 to191 which also has 436?
 

The word "and" in say the book War and Peace may be word number 75 and word number 893 and word number 1934. He may reuse number 75 or he may use 1934 for the word "and" in another sentence. AGAIN.. and can someone explain it to him better than I seem to be...if there are 2500 words in a document, and you count them one at a time starting at number 1 and the 94th word you come to is "today" then in your cipher where you see the number 94 you substitute the 94 for the word "today".

Am I not making this as clear as it is to.me? Anyone??
 

ThePantomath said:
Am I not making this as clear as it is to.me? Anyone??
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I can certainly understand the process you are explaining. I know nothing about the cipher, but what you explain makes sense.
 

ThePantomath said:
omg dude if the number on the cipher is 934 then you count the words in the text used to make the cipher and the 934th word in whatever book or document he used to make the cipher is the word for number 934. You are OVERTHINKING it. It's simple simple simple.

forget your EVERYTHING. Nothing of yours will make sense using my method, there's no encoding other than word for word. If you know the book or document he used then you have an exact word for word solution by just counting words and replacing the cipher numbers with those words.
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I undeserved exactly what you are saying. We cleared that up this morning and I apologize that I still had the first letter of the word method in mind when I read your posts.

However, I don't think you realize Cipher 1 uses the same cipher number multiple times and according to the "letters" you provided the first 436 is G and the second time 436 pops up you have it as T.

This is the easiest test in my algorithm where I check to make sure only one word is used when the cipher number is used multiple times. The fact that your solution fails this test with only 8 letters/words doesn't look promising .
 

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You never asked me the first letter of the word for number 436.
 

ThePantomath said:
You never asked me the first letter of the word for number 436.
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Location 87 of Cipher 1 is 436. I asked for Location 84 to 87.
Location 189 of Cipher 1 is 436. I asked for Location 188 to 191
Maybe this pic helps
 

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Oh I thought you wanted the first letter to the 84th to 87th word in the book used to make the damn cipher geesh ur killing me. It won't matter what I tell you, it will have ZERO to do with whatever "algorithm" you are trying to use. I solved the entire cipher, it's not a code just a word for each number in the Cipher. Then you read the directions and info and Bobs ur Uncle
 

ThePantomath said:
Oh I thought you wanted the first letter to the 84th to 87th word in the book used to make the damn cipher geesh ur killing me. It won't matter what I tell you, it will have ZERO to do with whatever "algorithm" you are trying to use. I solved the entire cipher, it's not a code just a word for each number in the Cipher. Then you read the directions and info and Bobs ur Uncle
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I'm sorry. I thought i made it clear that locations 84 to 87 were in the Cipher 1 and not the book whenyouaskedwhichit was.. I do appreciate your time and your input have helped improve my algorithm. Thanks
 

Go check your PM I've just given you the start of the decoded cipher #1. Now you can stop with Algorithms and wondering if I'm right lol.
 

ThePantomath said:
I came here thinking i could find someone serious about the Beale, to share ACTUAL proof of solution with and go dig the treasure up. It's a simple thing, solve cipher #1 , follow the directions and start digging right?

Then I come and read all this BS. "I SOLVED IT" ETC ETC.
WELL.. we are waiting... where's the gold?

"OH it's a 2 part crypto.." etc etc.. Bull--it.

The solve is simple, it's a word for word swap cipher, there's no "maybe" or "almost" if you solve it there's is no mistake.
If you ACTUALLY solve cipher#1 you will also learn the origination of the treasure and know for certain it is real even before digging. These are FACTS.
SO, in short:
1. If you "think" you solved it with the DOI you are WRONG.
2. IF you think it's a complicated solve, you are WRONG.
3. If you think anyone posting here has any clue at all, you are WRONG.

Now of course , I am just another self claimed know-it all newbie, why bother listening to me right?

We can compare my finds with yours but I doubt that would help lol.

So lets just agree its true, Im just another blowhard... but... take my word for one fact ... everyone here is WRONG. Lol... if they found a 5 ton treasure you would know.
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Have you heard of the IRS? Many treasures found go unreported due to that fact.
 

chalkoutline said:
Are you saying he used two documents: one document for Cipher locations 84 to 87 which has 436 and then a different document for 188 to191 which also has 436?
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Exactly. I said it in thread "Key is in NARA RG92E623".
Number 436 is coded differently. There are two different key texts for 1st letter.
Gillogly strings:
Key is in NARA RG92E623.
 

Juskevicius said:
Exactly. I said it in thread "Key is in NARA RG92E623".
Number 436 is coded differently. There are two different key texts for 1st letter.
Gillogly strings:
Key
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Juskevicius said:
Exactly. I said it in thread "Key is in NARA RG92E623".
Number 436 is coded differently. There are two different key texts for 1st What do you mean NARA RG92E623".
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Juskevicius said:
Exactly. I said it in thread "Key is in NARA RG92E623".
Number 436 is coded differently. There are two different key texts for 1st letter.
Gillogly strings:
Key is in NARA RG92E623.
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What do you mean by NARA RG92E623?
 

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