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My turn, dear TH members involved in this thread.....
I never said that von Braun arrived on US soil on board of German submarine. It is well-known fact that he was part of the "Operation Paperclip". Also, I would like to state here that I don't see anything bad in recruiting brilliant German brains for America. The Russiansd did it as well. Though, there was a flow of German scientists (not too big, more individual, but it was) on US soil during the last weeks and even months of the war. Adolf Hitler had other problems to solve than to keep eyes on the Reich's scientists during the last days of his rein and his followers as well. The scientists were generally indeed older and they would not paddle miles for the shore. It was not necessary. There weas other way, much more safer.
I would like to state here that it is not a rumor, not a story, there are just historical facts. Dominican Republic dictator Leonidas Trujillo was great admiror of Adolf Hitler. If somebody wants to argue that he declared the war to the Nazi Germany, yes, he did, because he was internationally forced to do it, after German sub sank Dominical freighter in the Caribbean. Nevertherless it had nothing to do with his passion for Nazi leader and his secret efforts in his favor. What he did was that he allowed secret German submarine supplying posts on several points of the Dominican republic, where U-boats received fresh meat, cheese, bread, water and sometimes also fuel on regular bases when they started to operate in the Caribbean and US waters. Two of these places were on the northern coast of the island ond one on the south, close to Barahona city. The point that was used most was close to today's Playa Grande, where the depth goes to 4,000 meters relatively very close to the shore. Till today the beach where the Germans came to the shore in their rubber boats in the middle of the night is called "matapuercos" (pig killing). The local fishermen killed there pigs on the beach to give fresh meat to the German crews. Guys, please, do not argue about that, I spoke personally with still living witnesses who remeber these actions and two of them were personally involved. The Germnas paid them generaly in gold coins (not from treasures on board I would like to state). Trujillo allowed German secret spy network on the Dominical territory as well, since 1942. There are two proofs, one tailor living in the city of Puerto Plata at those war times and other photographer that were in fact German spies. Even US Congress warned Trujillo in Autumn 1943 not to follow these actions and take a messaures against growing secret German network on the island, because, obviously, it could not escape US intelligence sources.
Especially the point of exchange close to Playa Grande was several times also used for human transfers. Some persons came to the shore from Nazi submarines, it was already organized a way for them, civilian clothes, false passports and they borded generally freighter of Neutral flags in Puerto Plata or in Santo Domingo and they ended in Boston, where they were already awaited. It is not know exact number of these person, nor names, just that this route really existed and that it was several times used for lower number of persons. That's all.
Best regards,
Lobo
I never said that von Braun arrived on US soil on board of German submarine. It is well-known fact that he was part of the "Operation Paperclip". Also, I would like to state here that I don't see anything bad in recruiting brilliant German brains for America. The Russiansd did it as well. Though, there was a flow of German scientists (not too big, more individual, but it was) on US soil during the last weeks and even months of the war. Adolf Hitler had other problems to solve than to keep eyes on the Reich's scientists during the last days of his rein and his followers as well. The scientists were generally indeed older and they would not paddle miles for the shore. It was not necessary. There weas other way, much more safer.
I would like to state here that it is not a rumor, not a story, there are just historical facts. Dominican Republic dictator Leonidas Trujillo was great admiror of Adolf Hitler. If somebody wants to argue that he declared the war to the Nazi Germany, yes, he did, because he was internationally forced to do it, after German sub sank Dominical freighter in the Caribbean. Nevertherless it had nothing to do with his passion for Nazi leader and his secret efforts in his favor. What he did was that he allowed secret German submarine supplying posts on several points of the Dominican republic, where U-boats received fresh meat, cheese, bread, water and sometimes also fuel on regular bases when they started to operate in the Caribbean and US waters. Two of these places were on the northern coast of the island ond one on the south, close to Barahona city. The point that was used most was close to today's Playa Grande, where the depth goes to 4,000 meters relatively very close to the shore. Till today the beach where the Germans came to the shore in their rubber boats in the middle of the night is called "matapuercos" (pig killing). The local fishermen killed there pigs on the beach to give fresh meat to the German crews. Guys, please, do not argue about that, I spoke personally with still living witnesses who remeber these actions and two of them were personally involved. The Germnas paid them generaly in gold coins (not from treasures on board I would like to state). Trujillo allowed German secret spy network on the Dominical territory as well, since 1942. There are two proofs, one tailor living in the city of Puerto Plata at those war times and other photographer that were in fact German spies. Even US Congress warned Trujillo in Autumn 1943 not to follow these actions and take a messaures against growing secret German network on the island, because, obviously, it could not escape US intelligence sources.
Especially the point of exchange close to Playa Grande was several times also used for human transfers. Some persons came to the shore from Nazi submarines, it was already organized a way for them, civilian clothes, false passports and they borded generally freighter of Neutral flags in Puerto Plata or in Santo Domingo and they ended in Boston, where they were already awaited. It is not know exact number of these person, nor names, just that this route really existed and that it was several times used for lower number of persons. That's all.
Best regards,
Lobo
