She was only 3 days old.

[Bigcypresshunter]

I posted this here last year, but have yet to positively ID. We have some new members and I could get some new thoughts. It is silver and very THIN like a tag and the size of a quarter. Its hand engraved on the front in Old English copperplate script:

Jo-Ann L. Hall
12-30-43--1-2-44

There are some official looking numbers on the back: G-1506.

The back is also hand engraved. The numbers may coincide with a US military grave plot but what cemetery?... What century?

Plot G- Row 15- Grave 06?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yes I heard thieves dug up coffins for the silver tags. Because nobody but Indians lived in this Florida area in 1844, I thought it may have been from coffin carried on a ship. There are 2 shipwrecks directly offshore. A old Spanish and an unidentified British sailing ship. It just seems to thin for a medallion or love tag but Im not sure. The numbers look so official.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yes, it is hard to see via a photo, and I'm glad you're able to magnify it in person to make the judgment call. Whether it is engraved or stamped, I still think it is a plot number. I've added a pic for the Silver Coffin Plate. Also, check out this site:
http://www.leviticusjewelry.com/product/164736/Our-Darling-Harness_795595.html
Breezie

Very interesting. Thanks Breeze. It looks stamped but I wonder if mine is an older smaller version.

There was a frontier settlement nearby but was abandoned in 1850 due to Indian hostilities. I found a Hall in the census, but nothing definitive.

 

[Breezie]

Since you found it on a Florida beach, it could have washed up from anywhere. I'm guessing some where down South (MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, VA) since Coffin Tags were more of a Southern tradition. Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Since you found it on a Florida beach, it could have washed up from anywhere. I'm guessing some where down South (MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, VA) since Coffin Tags were more of a Southern tradition. Breezie

Sailing ships followed the Gulf Stream currents north but it could have been on the return trip. I was at one time considering burial at sea. Its possible to be 1944 but no birth or death record found.

 

[Bramblefind]

Hi BigCypress- I wanted to let you know I am looking into this. Will let you know if I find any leads.

 

[digginer]

well,im not the sharpest tack in the box,obviously,but i did read the entire post,and here is one idea i did not see mentioned.the last picture you posted,(G-,forgot no.)not important,is it possible the no.is stamped(or PRESSED) as in our coins?they all look raised to me.not engraved as some have suggested.if they were engraved they would be sunken in to the coin.same if they were stamped with a hammer.also what kind of name is hall? IRISH,SCOTTISH,ETC. maybe you should see about finding records there. lame idea but you are grasping at straws.

 

[digginer]

remember,since you mentioned being able to see the stroke marks in the 5,that our coins have pretty intricate detail.the faces ,the buffalo,the waling liberty,etc>

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

well,im not the sharpest tack in the box,obviously,but i did read the entire post,and here is one idea i did not see mentioned.the last picture you posted,(G-,forgot no.)not important,is it possible the no.is stamped(or PRESSED) as in our coins?they all look raised to me.not engraved as some have suggested.if they were engraved they would be sunken in to the coin.same if they were stamped with a hammer.also what kind of name is hall? IRISH,SCOTTISH,ETC. maybe you should see about finding records there. lame idea but you are grasping at straws.

They are definitely not raised. Pictures can be deceiving I guess. Everyone here has commented that they are stamped. Only myself and SWR, who looked with a loupe in person, thinks its engraved. I dont understand. For example, the 5 clearly comes to a point on top. If it was stamped it would not look like this IMO.

Im thinking that the name Hall is British and could be from any of the British Carribean colonies. Maybe that is why I cant find record of the birth or death.

Thank you for posting your ideas. I think my best bet would be to drive up to the museum in Sebastian. I was there before but the curator was never in.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

remember,since you mentioned being able to see the stroke marks in the 5,that our coins have pretty intricate detail.the faces ,the buffalo,the waling liberty,etc>

I can see stroke marks on all the numbers and letter, and they come to a point on the ends. I respect everyones opinion but I think this must mean its engraved.

It would appear to be an 1844 momento/love token but the area found was extremely remote up until this century. Vero Beach was used for Navy Seal training and test bombing during WWII. The simplest thinking would be found on a beach, lost by a swimmer. But who goes to the beach wearing a 100-150 year old momento of a great grand child?

 

[Bramblefind]

Still checking around... I did send the pics to my sister and she sometimes has a knack for this sort of thing. Her response-

I think it's a charm off a bracelet from the 1940's

I didn't get anything else from her but I will talk to her later and see if she has any evidence for why she thinks this.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Still checking around... I did send the pics to my sister and she sometimes has a knack for this sort of thing. Her response-

I think it's a charm off a bracelet from the 1940's

I didn't get anything else from her but I will talk to her later and see if she has any evidence for why she thinks this.

Ok thanks Bramblefind. Maybe it was lost by a WWII Navy Seal training on that beach, and this was his daughter. There were a few soldiers stationed at a post on the beach, I was told. Nobody else swam there with live bombing. The location is the Vero Beach Tracking Station. Maybe G-1506 is a government number. I dont usually see numbers like that on a charm.


A member "Rowdy" researched Government numbers on my original post.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,19394.0.html

I did a search for the name Hall, and found this list:

http://aad.archives.gov/aad/display...&mtch=62&q=hall&cat=TS14&dt=363&tf=F&bc=sl,sd

There's no exact match, but if you look at this record:

http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-...=F&q=hall&bc=sl,sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=6857&rlst=
777,2480,5267,6857,9183,12882,13928,14951,15189,16087


see that they list the burial location as:

Section K
Row 75
Grave 1
Marker number 590

I'm thinking that the numbers on the back of your object may correspond to that type of location designation.

There were undoubtedly more mortuaries than Gorgas in military use, but I can't find any listings online. The Archive had a fire in the 70's and lost a lot of records for the 1940's time period.

It might be worth finding an older veteran and see if they recognize your object as military or government issue. Maybe stop ny your local VFW and see if they can help?

On the otherhand, I may be steering you in completely the wrong direction, so don't discount any other leads you come across!

Good luck, and keep us posted! QUOTE Rowdy

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Why does these posts not fit on my screen? Its very annoying to keep moving the screen to read it.
The first page was fine? Does anybody know?

 

[Breezie]

Why does these posts not fit on my screen? Its very annoying to keep moving the screen to read it.
The first page was fine? Does anybody know?

I think it is because the website addys are so long, they do not wrap like text. Try deleting the long website names and see if that solves the problem. Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Why does these posts not fit on my screen? Its very annoying to keep moving the screen to read it.
The first page was fine? Does anybody know?

I think it is because the website addys are so long, they do not wrap like text. Try deleting the long website names and see if that solves the problem. Breezie

Yep. Long addys the prob. I took off (copy and pasted) part of the second addy and put it below. It fits and still works. Thanks.

According to the link I just shortened, it could be Section G, Cemetary Row 150, Grave 6. Its just got to be some kind of official numbers. It must mean something important.http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=363&mtch=62&cat=TS14&tf=F&q=hall&bc=sl,sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=6857&rlst=

 

[Breezie]

BCH, use this website to shorten long addys:
http://foxyurl.com/
It's free and you don't have to register or log in, just scroll down.

Breezie

 

[Bramblefind]

I was just skimming eBay for vintage name charms and this one struck me - probably coincidence but I saw the "506" and it made me think of your "g-1506"-

http://cgi.ebay.com/Engraved-60s-NA...QQptZVintage_Fine_Jewelry?hash=item5182f4feae

 

[Bramblefind]

Here's another charm for sale now-

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1955-St...QQptZVintage_Fine_Jewelry?hash=item518164f944

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here's another charm for sale now-

Thanks Bramblefind. Thats probably the closest I have seen yet even though these type of charms are usually blank or say STERLING on the backside. But its possible. Im not discounting anything at this point. If it is 20th century, I am guessing this girl was born in a hospital and I am hoping somebody with more smarts than I can do a geneology search and find a match on the name. We appear to have both the birth and death dates along with a middle initial on the name. Even though it was a remote area during WWII, its very possible that it was lost by one of the few stationed at Vero. So far no matches.

Thanks a lot Bramblefind. If anybody can find this childs records it would be you. I was amazed at your research results on the School Achievement Pin. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,287079.0.html

Someone suggested that it may say To- Ann L. Hall but it seems to me the T comes down kinda low. If its a soldiers WWII sweetheart, she may still be alive today. Imagine returning it to her.

 

[Bramblefind]

I so wish I could find a record! I've been trying. Ancestry.com changed their search features and I don't like it at all It's hit or miss with online newspapers. Social Security hadn't been around all that long at that time so I am not sure if they would necessarily record this info for an infant. Particularly since at that time, unlike today, the SS#s were not arranged at the time of birth.

I think there is a more expansive newpaper database called Proquest Historical Documents which is only available at certain libraries. I would love to be able to search that.

I haven't given up yet though...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont mean to stir the pot but its the exact size of a silver US quarter or Spanish Reale, but it doesnt have the reeded edge of a US quarter. The edge looks more like the Spanish Reales. Its hard to tell because its thinner and worn but there are definitely some markings on the edges similar to the Reale pictured. Im not sure that a charm would have these edge markings. Ill try to take some better pics. It appears to have been made from a silver coin. http://metaldetectingworld.com/coins_silver_reales.shtml