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Silver crossed $60/oz today and it’s now just a few cents away from hitting $61/oz. It's gonna be a wild ride!

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Looks like the following PM’s are roaring back, here’s the last 24 hours so far:

Gold -
$4,504.00 USD, up $39.20

Silver -
$81.42 USD, up $4.16

Platinum - $2,436.00 USD, up $156.00

Palladium - $1,846.60 USD, up $101.60
 
Yes it's there, but......
It will take a decade before anything will actually come out of the country. The silver output is only 1/4 of 2016 levels and today's levels. Fact is 86% of Venezuela’s gold is produced illegally and is often controlled by military elites, guerrilla groups and transnational gangs..
First priority will be oil.
Exactly!! No sane person would attempt anything in this country at the moment. It will be many years if not decades for Venezuela to be able to have an economic environment that would be safe and stable enough to host foreign investment on the ground there....in the meantime, as the country gets back on its feet, the gold and silver will flow through the black market.
 
Just broke 80.
You do mean $85
Base metals are surging up here over the past week.
There's a couple of factors is filling contracts that the scrap yards have place already.
Seasonal conditions where construction is nearing its winter lag.
When the temperatures are a steady 0-10F and a foot of snow the scrap isn't being generated.
Here is this mornings pricing in Toronto

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Exactly!! No sane person would attempt anything in this country at the moment. It will be many years if not decades for Venezuela to be able to have an economic environment that would be safe and stable enough to host foreign investment on the ground there....in the meantime, as the country gets back on its feet, the gold and silver will flow through the black market.
I have no way to confirm as I wasn't there, but I heard that about a week before we went in, a dozen large cargo planes landed in Venezuela, and took off with 847 tons of Silver. At least 1 of the planes was the enormously huge Russian Antonov 124 cargo aircraft, largest in the world. They're used to transport extremely large and heavy loads, like huge blades for wind turbines. That plane apparently headed to Russia. Another couple planes apparently headed to Miami, several more to China, a few more to Panama. Also heard that after takeoff, the planes went dark, so they must have turned off their transponders, and apparently, they all landed at military airports in the various countries.

 
On
January 8, 2026, the silver market experienced significant volatility, extending declines for a second consecutive day, with COMEX prices falling as much as 4% at one point.

Market Activity Summary
  • Price Drop: Silver futures fell sharply, with the March 2026 contract dropping nearly 3% to around $75.32 per ounce. On the MCX exchange, prices crashed over ₹11,000 per kilogram from their recent highs.
  • Index Rebalancing: The primary driver of the sharp sell-off was the anticipated annual rebalancing of major commodity indexes, such as the Bloomberg Commodity Index. This forces large passive funds to sell a significant amount of their precious metal futures to align with new, lower weightings following silver's massive rally in 2025.
  • Market Pressure: Citigroup estimates that this rebalancing could trigger as much as $6.8 billion in silver futures sales between January 8 and 14. This forced selling is creating significant short-term pressure on prices.
  • Fundamental News: Other news included mining updates, with companies like Silver X Mining and Americas Gold and Silver announcing production growth and mine restarts, signaling increased future supply potential.
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  • The 476 represents the physical silver into the warehouses x 5000 troy ounces
  • 2427 represents the physical silver that has to be delivered out of the warehouses x 5000 troy ounces
  • CME raises margins by 30% (They're nervous)
 
The
CME Group's 30% margin hike for silver futures on January 7, 2026, primarily aimed to stabilize the market and curb extreme speculation, which led to immediate and significant consequences:
  • Forced Liquidation: The main effect was requiring traders to post significantly more capital to maintain their leveraged positions. Traders who could not meet these new, higher collateral requirements were forced to liquidate (sell) their contracts.
  • Price Drop/Correction: This forced selling created intense, short-term downward pressure on silver "paper" prices, contributing to a sharp price correction from its recent record highs above $80 per ounce.
  • Increased Volatility: While intended to ensure adequate collateral and stability, the move initially exacerbated volatility, causing sharp price swings.
  • Decoupling of Paper and Physical: The margin hike primarily affected the futures market (paper silver), leading to a disconnect between the falling paper price and the continued tightness in the physical silver market, where strong industrial demand persists.
  • Protection of Short Positions: The action was widely seen by market participants as a measure to protect major banks and other entities holding massive short positions from potential systemic risk associated with multi-billion dollar mark-to-market losses.
Historically, such aggressive margin hikes have often occurred near market peaks and triggered significant price corrections, as the removal of leverage cools speculative excess. However, analysts note that these actions do not address the underlying physical supply deficits, and the long-term bullish case for silver remains a point of contention among experts.
 
The 30% margin increase primarily hurt two groups:
leveraged retail speculators and hedge funds/speculative traders who held large, long futures positions.

Who Was Hurt and Why
  • Leveraged Retail Speculators: The new margin requirements—rising from approximately $25,000 to $32,500 per contract—forced smaller traders using borrowed money (leverage) to either deposit a large amount of additional cash immediately or sell their positions at a loss. Many were forced to liquidate, causing them to miss out on any potential future gains and potentially crystallizing losses if they bought near the recent peak above $80/oz.
  • Hedge Funds and Commodity Trading Advisors (CTAs): These institutional players, which often use quantitative models that rely heavily on leverage, also faced forced liquidations due to insufficient capital to meet the new margin requirements, especially those who were heavily "long" silver based on the strong price momentum.

Who Benefited or Was Protected
Conversely, the margin hike effectively protected two major groups:
  • Major Banks and Large Short Holders: Clearing member banks (such as JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, and others) hold massive short positions on the COMEX. When the price of silver skyrockets, these firms face billions of dollars in "mark-to-market" losses daily. The margin hike was widely viewed as a measure to force the long side to sell, bringing the price down and reducing the systemic risk posed to these powerful institutions by an uncontrollable short squeeze.
  • The Exchange (CME Group) and Clearinghouse: By raising the capital requirement, the CME Group ensures that there is enough collateral in the system to cover potential losses. This protects the integrity of the clearing system in case a member firm defaults, ensuring the exchange itself remains solvent.
In summary, those who were betting on the price continuing to rise in the short term were forced out of the market by the increased capital requirements.
 
Question #1
Basically the whole market is rigged so the major banks and the large short holders win
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Basically the whole market is geared so the major banks and the large short holders are protected


In the context of the

January 2026 silver market, your observation aligns with a phenomenon often described as "Regulatory or Exchange Capture."
When a market experiences a "parabolic move" (like silver hitting $80/oz this week), the exchange mechanisms designed to maintain stability almost exclusively provide relief to the shorts (sellers) and penalize the longs(buyers).
Here is how the "gearing" of the market structurally favors major banks and large short holders:

1. The "Margin Hike" as a Weapon
On January 7, 2026, the CME raised margins by 30%. While officially a risk-management tool, its mechanical impact is one-sided:
  • The Squeeze on Longs: It forces buyers to come up with billions in new cash immediately. If they can’t, their positions are liquidated, causing "forced selling" that drives the price down.
  • The Relief for Shorts: The resulting price drop is exactly what the large banks holding massive short positions need. It reduces their multi-billion dollar "mark-to-market" losses and allows them to close out positions at lower prices.

2. Protecting the Clearing Members
The major banks (JPMorgan, HSBC, Citi, etc.) are Clearing Members of the exchange.
  • If a major bank were to fail because silver prices went to $100/oz, the CME’s own clearinghouse would be at risk.
  • Therefore, the exchange has a vested interest in preventing a price surge from becoming a "runaway" event that bankrupts its own members.

3. Asymmetric Intervention
Critics often point out that the "rules" seem to only apply during price increases:
  • When prices rise: The exchange raises margins to "cool" the market and protect the short-sellers from a squeeze.
  • When prices crash: The exchange rarely intervenes with the same urgency to "stop the bleeding" for the buyers. This asymmetry creates the perception that the floor is open-ended, but the ceiling is capped by regulation.

4. The "Paper vs. Physical" Loophole
The COMEX is primarily a paper market.
  • Major banks can sell (short) an almost infinite number of paper contracts to overwhelm physical demand.
  • Even if the physical supply is in a record deficit (due to the China export ban), the banks can suppress the price by flooding the exchange with "paper silver" contracts. As long as they have the capital to back the margin, they can hold the price down regardless of how little physical silver is actually in the vaults.
Summery of the Power dynamic

Entry role in jan 2026 impact of Exchange Actions

Major Banks Large Shorts Protected. Margin hikes force prices down , saving them from insolvency.
Retail/Hedge Funds Aggressive Longs Hurt Forced to liquidate due to high capital requirements.
CME Group Regulator/Exchange Stabilized. Prevents a systemic collapse by neutralizing the price surge.

In the eyes of the retail investor, the system looks rigged. In the eyes of a central banker or exchange official, the system is working to prevent a localized silver squeeze from turning into a global financial contagion.



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90 this week.
Have a good read on the previous post entries. It wouldn't have happened as the 30% play was already in motion.
The only thing that I can see now is the demand for physical keeps driving the prices up.
But on the other hand will the CME just raise the margin by ?% again to protect the banks?
 
How will the current historical silver supply being low, impact this 30 % hike in rates

The 30% margin hike has created a significant
divergence between the "paper" futures price and the "physical" spot price of silver, as it does not address the underlying historical supply deficit.
Here is how the low physical supply impacts the effects of the margin hike:

1. The Paper Price is Suppressed, While the Physical Price is Supported
  • Paper Market Impact: The margin hike forced leveraged traders to sell their futures contracts, creating artificial selling pressure that drove the futures price (the "paper" price) down temporarily.
  • Physical Market Reality: The margin hike does nothing to create more physical silver. The market remains in its fifth consecutive year of a structural supply deficit, with demand (especially industrial demand for solar panels and electronics) exceeding mine supply.
  • Divergence: This has led to a growing disconnect where the falling futures price does not reflect the actual scarcity of metal in vaults.

2. Widening Premiums for Physical Silver
  • The key impact of the fundamental supply shortage is that the effective price of physical silver is increasingly determined by its availability, not the COMEX futures quote.
  • While the futures price drops, premiums for physical bullion (coins and bars) have likely surged. Reports indicate that even before this recent volatility, Shanghai premiums were significantly higher than COMEX prices, a sign of extreme physical tightness.

3. A "Temporary Setback" in a Long-Term Bull Market
Many analysts view this episode as a temporary, mechanical correction caused by regulators managing risk, not a fundamental change in market dynamics.
  • The underlying drivers—strong industrial demand and limited supply—remain firmly in place, supporting a continued bullish thesis for silver.
  • The margin hike primarily shakes out over-leveraged traders; it does not solve the long-term issue that "physical shortages will ultimately determine pricing".
In essence, the low physical supply means the price dip caused by the margin hike may be short-lived, with the market eventually forced to re-align the paper price with the reality of physical scarcity.
 
So if it's short lived what will be the next move by the CME


If the recent price dip proves short-lived and silver resumed its "hysterical and parabolic" upward move
, the CME Group typically follows a established sequence of emergency regulatory moves to rein in volatility and manage systemic risk.
The next likely moves from the CME based on historical precedents (1980 and 2011) and the current 2026 climate include:
  • Rapid-Fire Margin Escalation: If one 30% hike fails to cool the market, the CME often implements a series of closely spaced increases. In 2011, margins were raised five times in just nine days as prices peaked.
  • "Liquidation Only" Trading (Silver Rule 7): In extreme cases where physical supply is severely threatened, the exchange can invoke rules that restrict new buying. This effectively mandates that traders can only close existing positions, preventing new "long" demand from driving prices higher while forcing the market to move toward settlement.
  • Position Limit Reductions: The exchange may lower the maximum number of contracts any single speculative entity can hold. This forces large hedge funds to sell off portions of their holdings, regardless of their available capital, to comply with the new, tighter limits.
  • Expansion of Daily Price Limits: If silver consistently hits its daily "limit up" (preventing further trading for the day), the CME can expand these limits to allow for more aggressive price movement in a shorter window, often facilitating a faster "blow-off top" and subsequent correction.
  • Changes to Delivery Rules: The exchange may amend contract terms regarding storage or handling charges to incentivize metal movement or adjust how "intent to deliver" is processed to prevent a total exhaustion of registered inventory.

The "Sword of Damocles"
Market analysts describe these potential further adjustments as a "Sword of Damocles" hanging over the market. While these measures can artificially "cool" the paper futures price, they do not resolve the structural supply shortage. This often leads to a deepening "backwardation," where the immediate spot price for physical silver stays much higher than the restricted futures price.
 
The looting of the Treasury is happening faster than ever and that always happens at the end of the Empire. They have to steal theirs before the ponzi implodes.
Hundreds of billions are disappearing daily and inflation is the new normal.
Silver could reset $50 but id be surprised if it did.
The metals will shine through the corruption and fraud.
 
The looting of the Treasury is happening faster than ever and that always happens at the end of the Empire. They have to steal theirs before the ponzi implodes.
Hundreds of billions are disappearing daily and inflation is the new normal.
Silver could reset $50 but id be surprised if it did.
The metals will shine through the corruption and fraud.
Do you have PROOF of your accusations....?
 
Do you have PROOF of your accusations....?
Proof of what? That inflation is stealing your wealth? That's been going on steadily for over a century, and has gotten massively worse over the last several years.
 
AG back over $80
Gold $4,517.30 + 63.60
Silver $80.02 + 4.68
Is $4,550 the record price for gold?
Don in SoCal
The amount if paper that got dumped because of the 30% increase knocked a lot of the retail traders out.
The inventory LME yesterday was a huge reduction in the USA vaults.
I'll post that up later.
What is the LME-COMEX next move?
I listed their options in a previous post.
They can't keep the price down it seems.
 
Gold was showing $4533 on Dec 26 25.
We need to make a sticky post at the top of this Forum on opinions on the price of Gold & Silver On Dec 26, 2026
Gold Price Dec 26, 2026 ....................... XXXX.oo
Gold Price Dec 26, 2025 ....................... 4533.oo
Gold Price Dec 26, 2024 was around 2600.oo
Gold Price Dec 26, 2023 was around 2000.oo
Gold Price Dec 26, 2022 was around 1800.oo
 
Proof of what? That inflation is stealing your wealth? That's been going on steadily for over a century, and has gotten massively worse over the last several years.
Years ago when silver was around $27 my brother asked me why I was buying it. I told him around the year 1900 a dollar bill and a silver dollar were both worth the same. Now a dollar bill is worth 13 cents and a silver dollar is worth 27 bucks. I saw a light go on in his head. Now it's even a much further spread. Precious metals have never failed to appreciate. Inflation has destroyed fiat currency.
 

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