Take Note Archies

[coin_diver]

Having studied the evolution of the ARPA act ad infinitum, I am finally so nauseated by your insistence to block any exploratory or recovery effort, be it on land or sea, that I have to speak out.

We have been called every name in the book and accused of only caring about profit or the augmentation of our "personal collections" that even you believe your rhetoric. Reminds me of the old saying "if you don't believe me just ask me."

What the hypocrite fails to understand is that you are undermining your own efforts, that people continue to search AND DISCOVER countless items of interest to you. However, you will generally not be made aware because you refuse to lay down your legal assault and rationalize the cooperation of interests. Simply reiterating your version of what law may pertain to your argument makes you neither a scholar or professional.

The law that you use against us is being intentionally misapplied, taken in snippets or lines because in reality you know the law has to be taken in it's full body and the spirit in which it was written.

You speak of the lost artifacts, stolen away in individual' collections yet fail to admit that at the end of the day you seek out these sites for the very reasons as do we. You love the adventure and discovery. The items you collect end up boxed by students then cataloged and stored away in warehouses. You dig up grave sites so that you can study yet another body and still you do so with your chin held high. Still, you find it despicable that metal detecting hobbyists love to recover a beautiful barber dime from the park because they might sell it, buy gasoline and lunch, maps or equipment, only to do it again.

Be advised, people in this country are angry, angry with the continual stripping of freedoms and it will only take another ticket or warning before your charade bites you right square in the ass. Someone is going to lead the redemption.

A Tax paying, natural born American.

 

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[ThTx]

Do I have your permission to copy this and forward to the Antiquities Commission in Texas?

 

[MichiganRob]

Yessiree Coin_diver, you tell 'em.

I wrote a letter to my State rep here in Michigan, a woman I have known for years. I hand delivered the letter to her. She said she would show it to her brother who is a retired State Archie. Guess we know where that letter will end up. It was a letter about access to Michigan State Parks which is very restrictive. Keep up the good work

HH
MichiganRob

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

ROTFLMAO


best joke i read all week.

 

[detector99]

Hi everyone, this is Frank Pandozzi, Executive Producer of (EHT) Exploring Historys Treasures. It's been a while since I last visited this forum. However, now that I'm here I need to say a few things in regards to all of the recent problems we are seeing with our hobby. I am good friends with Mike, Mike Austin, (Take Note Archies post) was my partner and co-host of EHT, and Mike means what he says.

It has come to my attention, because of my involvement and battle with Archies when I first began filming our TV series, that the right and the privilege to treasure hunt, whether in water or on land, has suddenly, and once again taken a front seat. Myself as well as Mike Austin understand the frustrations of everyone involved, not only within the metal detecting community, and the divers, but also with bottle collectors, rock collectors, ATV owners, hikers, backpackers and RVer's. Our land rights issues needs to be addressed. If you are not familiar with “My Blogs” in regards to these issues, then please visit http://www.metal-detecting-ghost-towns-of-the-east.com, we all need to take a stand. If you are having a problem within the hobby, or you know of one that needs to be addressed, then please feel free to contact me and I will pass the situation along in “My Blog as well.”

I commend those of you who are taking a stand. I see more and more people are getting involved, and sometimes that is not an easy thing to do. However,we need to step up the revolution.

Understand this, what is happening within our hobby, is also a mirror image of what is happening in our country. Don’t get me wrong, I love America, but I have issues with our government, and I see a parallel of problems that if we don’t stand up for then we will lose more of our rights.

George Santayana, the philospher, poet said; “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

My friends, history is being repeated. We are seeing our federal deficit explode, just like in Germany after WWII, and then Germany went belly-up. Yet our country continues to spend. This country is heading in the same direction as Germany. We are seeing more and more social programs taking control of our lives, just like in Communist China, and the Soviet Union. We are now seeing the laws that took away our freedom to enjoy our lands, being expanded upon, just like what happened in 1906 with the passing of the first antiquities act, and then the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) in 1966 and Archaeological Resources Preservation Act (ARPA), in 1979.

I believe that in a few short years, our new President will close off more lands. It will be just another way to control us, it will be another piece of socialism, unless we do something now, history once again will repeat itself.

There is a revolution going on. However, this revolution is not being fought with guns and blood, this one is being fought with the mighty pen. It’s being fought behind the scenes, on a battlefield not made of dirt nor mud, but with technology. It was Thomas Paine, one of the first patriots of this great country, who helped to fuel the fire of the revolution that began this nation, when he wrote Common Sense. And now, with the age of the Internet a new revolution of warriors, like Mike Austin and others have slowly stoked the fires of activism. I implore all of you to continue with this new revolution and make your voices heard. Write emails to your congressional leaders. Call them, join a group of fellow activists and take up this cause. Do not allow the winds of past histories to shape the future.

As Thomas Jefferson said.
“Every generation needs a new revolution.”



Thanks,
Frank

http://www.metal-detecting-ghost-towns-of-the-east.com
http://www.exploringhistorystreasures.com

 

[MichiganRob]

Thanks for the post Frank, I visited your website, fascinating, but now I regret that I don't get that channel

HH
MichiganRob

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Coin diver, I understand your frustration, but you're not thinking like an archie. They can line-by-line and destroy a statement like you just made.

You see, things like "profit" and "personal collections" ARE horrendous to them

You see to an archie, a crockery shard (value-less) or a square nail (value-less) is EQUALLY as sought-after as a rare coin. Now of course, on the collector market, only the coin will have value, not a shard or nail, right? But to an archie, the nail, the shard, AND the coin ALL tell a story about the people who lived there, their habits, their backgrounds, their diet, their social patterns, the strata/depth/location it was found in, blah blah, etc... etc... So they are strictly trained to ignore "value", as that has no bearing on the science and research they put together. But to us, an old coin immediately causes us to reach for our red-book to see its value, right? And we don't record our finds, their depth, their context, etc... into volumous works and reports to benefit the whole community. Instead, we put them on our own mantle place, for our own greedy profit.

They do not see the fact that "they seek out the sites for the very reason we do" as having any meaning. I mean, OF COURSE they seek out the same sites (historical ones), but NO, NOT for the "reason" we do. Theirs is a noble purpose, of saving and interpretting history. And to the extent that they can't cover all ground at every historic sites, so what! That is simply sites and grounds that will be future sites for archies 100, 500, and 1000 yrs. from now. To take it out of the ground now robs future generations from "learning about their past".

I could go on and on being the devil's advocates about how your post wouldn't register in the slightest to them. In fact, it would spur them to be even more ardent, as this would just bolster their image of us geeks with shovels parading around in sacred historical sites.

Before anyone sends that text off to an archie or public official, it needs some makeover. Sorry to be negative, but I've talked to too many of these guys (and even worked & dug side-by-side with them on cooperative projects) to know how they think.

 

[Goodyguy]

I say when the Archies dig up our civilization a 1000 years from now let them discover that we were a society of metal detectorists!

Shouldn't we have our place in history as well?

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

thank you plehbah.
within the community of the over educated and under paid, there is an argument about digging artifacts.
based on the massive advancements in technology, many 'archies' believe nothing should be dug, since technology will allow us to see into the earth, catalog the artifacts, and leave the areas pristine...certainly a purist view...

no artifact is worth anything to an "archie", if it is not in association with other artifacts.

 

[Lowbatts]

So who's going to fund our lobbyists?

Brass tacks.

Unless we have a million md'er march, boy would that be fodder for the statist media moguls.

We have only one common language with the average legislator, green.

That's jingle green, not eco green.

 

[michigan michael]

WTG! I agree 100%

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29036847/

so how many of the detractors of anthropology can do this with their "finds"?