| 781 | Waltz, Jacob | 72 | Germany | Phoenix | July 19, 1861 | Los Angeles, Cal. 1st District | Oct 11, 1882 |
| Number | Name | Age | Country or Nativity | Local Residence | Naturalized Date | Place and Court of Naturalization | Registration Date |
| 142 | Waltz, Jacob | 66 | Germany | Phoenix | 1861 | Los Angeles, Cal. Court of ?? | Sept 25,1876 |
| 781 | Waltz, Jacob | 72 | Germany | Phoenix | July 19, 1861 | Los Angeles, Cal. 1st District | Oct 11, 1882 |
| 787 | Waltz, Jacob | 74 | Germany | Phoenix | July 19, 1861 | California, District Court of Los Angeles | Sept 27, 1884 |
| 1358 | Waltz, Jacob | 76 | Germany | Phoenix | July 19, 1861 | Arizona, 1st Judicial District | Oct 6, 1886 |
| 1313 | Waltz, Jacob | 80 | Germany | Phoenix | July 19, 1881 | Phoenix, Arizona, 2nd Judicial District | Sept 8, 1890 |
as I have never tried to track Barnard down.
Hal,
Do you know who is listed as the author of the first edition of "True Story of Jacob Walzer and his Famous Hidden Gold Mine.....(The Lost Dutchman)? Do you know what other well known manuscript he "deposited" at the Arizona State Library? Do you know what kind of reputation he had?
Dig up that man's history and you might find the answer to the "Walzer" question. It involves the story of a prize chicken.
Good luck,
Joe
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I often make comments that make people wonder what the he!! I am talking about. People using multiple identities in order to attack others is one of my pet peaves.
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The small article about Ramon Grijalva and the stone tablets didn't say how many stones he brought back to Phoenix but it was at least 2 because the article read, "stones", that could mean 2 or possibly more. It said he returned from Altar Sonora with them but that does not necessarily mean they came from Altar or that is where he obtained them. He was merely visiting in Altar, his hometown. For all we know, someone could have brought the stones to Altar from anywhere. The article didn't say Grijalva found the stones himself so it could have been someone else who had them and Grijalva somehow aquired them and brought them to Phoenix. So many questions unanswered.
I have to agree with you, I don't think the two stone maps we have today are the complete set of instructions. There seems to be something missing.
I forgot to mention in my first post, in addition to Ramon Grijalva living for a time on the south half of Waltz's property, a Peralta also was listed in census and tax records as living on that same south half of Waltz's property also and in the same time period.
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After awhile, it becomes more and more difficult to juggle all those names. On the other hand, someone
certainly knows their local history.
Just saying.......
Joe Ribaudo
To be fair Joe, you have done the same on at least one occasion.....here:
Lost Dutchman Gold Mine - Arizona Superstition Mountain Wilderness - Gold Mining ? View topic - Say it ain't so, Joe.
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No one has placed the Stone Maps anywhere in the Superstitions, with
everything in the proper place and proportion except, of course, me.
Here is the sequence of how I put the Stone Maps together. I first
purchased Travis Marlow's pamphlet over thirty years ago. When I first
saw the wavy line on the lower trail map, I thought it looked something
like the outline of the main mountain.
Using that as a starting point, I looked at my topo and found a canyon
that made the same line as the bent arrow and followed it to the top of
the mountain. The trail immediately came into view.
I saw the Stone Maps, made a lucky guess and the rest of the two maps are
obvious......even easy. So easy, a blindbowman could see it.
Randy is somewhat confused. I don't believe the LDM is in Little Boulder
Canyon. I have never believed that or said such a thing to anyone.
I challenge anyone.....right now. Show me where my trail deviates from
the Stone Map Trail. If I am full of $%!t, show me. Show me where one
other person on the planet can put as many features of the Stone Maps on
a topographic map and have them in the proper sequence and
proportion.....It can't be done.....period.
I have given every point required for each and everyone of you to lay out
your own map. To not see it after that, you must be blind or stoned. In
some cases, perhaps both.
The rest of you are talkers. I have laid it out in black and white.
Everyone else tells us a wild-assed story and says "someday". I don't
claim there is a treasure to be found, just that I have solved the MAP.
The end of the map is in Little Boulder Canyon, exactly in the spot where
the heart I have shown is located.
It's very simple. Start at the bottom of Hieroglyphic Canyon and follow
the map into Little Boulder Canyon, or start at the knife point (Parker
Pass) and follow the map into Little Boulder Canyon.......and
on.......and on. The starting points are redundant. The ending point is
at the heart.
Also simple.....If it ain't so.....show me.
Joe Ribaudo
AZhiker has been posting on T-Net since Jan 09, 2010, on various topics.
Historical and personal missives by AZhiker also appear on other forums, including HikeArizona, going back even further.
Having compared the grammar and structure of their postings, I see little similarity between those of Craig Roberts/Aurum and posts submitted by Steven Trost/AZhiker .
Regards:Wayne
