Treasure Clue, can you help?

[Merlin]

not having much luck with the fairies on pg. 44...I can't get past the twins blonde hair 'screaming' the letter M at me... but on another note, I know it has been stated that tin of Flour on pg 41 resembles the Ohio State Seal....but... the cracker on the ground looks amazingly like NEVADA...only reversed....(or face down)....and the State Seal for Nevada also has a Sun between two mountains......


curse Mike Stadther and his puzzle!!!

 

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[doog]

In case no one has figured this out there is a HILL, New Hampshire and here is the map! Good luck
http://www.nhes.state.nh.us/elmi/htmlprofiles/hill.html

 

[doog]

Not to mention a state forest as well WADE STATE FOREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in HILL NEW HAMPSHIRE. I wonder how many unexpected visitors will be there tomorrow!

 

[doog]

Taking it one step further the state park is located in Wade State Forest OLD Hilll Village
so would we expect to find someone whose name means OLD when the letters are mixed up (HORAY)

I dont have my copy of the book yet. BUt I had a couple hours to look at the book this afternoon with a friend and I do not live anywhere near NH. So good luck

 

[Gaines]

Pancho,
I like your idea of trying to keep the poem rhyming and I agree that there is more to be added, however, on page 16, why did you leave out the word "Sands"? Just wondering if it was an oversight or if there was a reason?

 

[LitDoc]

T.B.,

"Nary" also means WITHOUT (or something is missing). An "even code" could refer to decoding a set of numbers by using only the even numbers (2, 4, 6, 8, . . . ) or decoding a string of words by using only alternate letters starting with the second letter.

 

[Gaines]

Chris,
Thanks for the encouragement and especially for the very kind offer to send me a book. I really appreciate it. Tonight, however, I am going to swing by Barnes & Nobles when I am out. I heard that they have the books now. I really should have purchased the companion book right away! I'll let you know if it offers me any new insight.
Thanks, too, for the tips on the Nomenclature page. I am very new to using Photo Shop, but I may figure it out yet. I'll keep you posted. By the way, do you think that your discovery is part of the poem or another clue/hint entirely? I think that it is a good thing that we are all questioning some of the orginal interpretations of the poem. It seemed as if Tweleve figured it out early on and no one questioned it too much in the beginning.
I am working on page 36. My daughter arrived home from college last night for the weekend and I tried to enlist her young eyes/perspective. Unfortunately, her young eyes didn't translate into any new perspective at all! She didn't see half of the things I did. What are they teaching these kids at school anyway? So, I am back to going it alone.
I am completely lost on the new Doc/Calvin solutions. If that's what it takes to solve the puzzle - wow! I hope you are making progress. I'll send any new finds. Bonnie

 

[milkkanz]

T.B.,

"Nary" also means WITHOUT (or something is missing). An "even code" could refer to decoding a set of numbers by using only the even numbers (2, 4, 6, 8, . . . ) or decoding a string of words by using only alternate letters starting with the second letter.

This doesnt mean its deffinetly in the book---> again mike clearly states that you need no speacial tools or instruments to figure out this puzzle, only your brain and a positive attitude. Plus i dont think he expects everyone who buys his book to have a scanner and photoshop on there computer!!!!

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[pancho_semplice]

Bonnie,

In regards to sands, I believe that is only AND (and the debates continue!) ?You'll notice throughout the rest of the message that each word is separated by a clump of leaves. ?I will admit, however, that it certainly appears that it could be sands on the bottom.

This is another of the solutions that I am having doubts about. ?Where exactly are we supposed to begin the phrase? ?Some of the pages have the phrases starting with the appearance of one of the jeweled creatures, while others seem to have to logical starting spot. ?

It further leads me to believe that we are, in fact, totally wrong with some of the lines. ?I would like to believe that every page has the same starting point, but that does not seem to be the case. ?WHICH DOESN'T MAKE THIS ANY EASIER! ?Still I have to think there is some consistency to these various puzzles.

This is, in no way, supported by the fact that the creatures follow their own set of rules when they appear in the borders, hidden or otherwise. ?Some of them come in pairs, others on separate pages. ?One thing I am certain of is that there are no two different creatures on the same page.

And the ants are the darndest little critters to find in this book!

As for the continuing "on" vs. "one" debate, I find it very hard to believe that the author would simply "hide" a letter in such a nonsensical manner. ?The border messages are all quite clear, once you train your eye to view them in the right way. (i.e. font styles)

I am currently trying to track down the critters throughout the book, and had to interrupt my hunt due to my lunch break ending. ?I will post what I have later tomorrow once I have been able to put it all together.

 

[milkkanz]

I doubt theres any error, and if he came out with a new book to fix the errors, he woudl have to give them to everyone for free, so i doubt thats goign to happen, i believe this is just a rumor, i read about it on 12 b4.

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[LitDoc]

T. B.,

I am with you on this one (or "on"--ha ha). ?In the other lines of the poem, the author uses English syntax (to use a teacher term). ?"With on piece" is syntactically incorrect, and the author has done this nowhere else. ?Also, consider the spacing between words. ?If the partially concealed E is not counted, the space between ON and PIECE is twice as long as between other words in this line.

 

[pancho_semplice]

Interesting tidbit that I forgot to mention. When I was typing up the list of poem lines on my computer, I was using Microsoft Word. I tried combining with and on. Well, the spell check feature did not have a problem with the word withon. Hmmmm . . .

Withon could be another of those Old English words thrown in to, and this is certainly the case here, throw us off, and keep us guessing.

 

[owlman]

Not to shoot down anyone else's theories on how to read some of the clues within the illustrations, but I don't think that MS intends for us to scan, magnify, and change the contrast of his pictures in order to see his clues. I honestly believe that they are right in front of us and that we simply need to look at the drawings in the book as they are, and not on a computer screen.

With that in mind, I'd like to add my own little tidbit. I have counted the numerals and numbers (including MS's dates that he made the illustrations) that are in the story, and, coincidentally, I have come up with 25 numbers- a code of numbers 5 to a side. Someone has already mentioned that MS's dates are insignificant, but I felt it necessary to point that out. Also, I believe that the 12 phrases from the text magnified under the illustrations has something to do with the "within the text you have the key," and that they somehow decipher to the treasure locations. As for the keys used to decipher them, I think that they are within the illustrations; encoded in Morse code, numbers, tools, leaves, etc.

I'm probably way off, but tell me what you think.?

 

[milkkanz]

well there deff morse code throughout this book! Ive found some myself and decoded it, but im not going to give out page or such, put for instance one phrase that i got was "Near the Overlook" and theres a few more i think too, just havent had time to get them yet.

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[cal56]

Hi, Bonnie and the rest of you guys,
Well, if you can't find it, the offer still stands. I haven't looked at tweleve yet to see the latest from Calvin and Doc. I almost have to print out their discussions to follow them.

I can't tell if the Nomenclature page is part of the poem - the last few words are very hard to read. But since it's not in a border, I think it will be like "the overlook clue and "find the trees hole." I wish I could figure out the last clue. I have a real prolem believing that MJS would hide tokens in knotholes. Don't squirels and birds like bright things and could bury them unless nailed down? My thought was put tokens in those fake rocks that people hide keys in and put them near the tree, just like the artwork shows. Seems safer to me. So are we dirested back to holes in the pictures and does it mean find ones that don't look like knotholes. The ? stuff inside the easy to see knotholes is different in my two books. Like Pancho said, really small stuff may not br reliably printed.

About that confounded "e: - three thoghts:
1. in the companion, one of the puzzles wants you to supply the missing half of 8 letters that spell out "thematic." Maybe the "e " is like that
2. As noted above, the anagram of the line would not work out IF THE E HAD BEEN INCLUDED, so I think MJS left it out on purpose
3. Because of 2, I think we should all look very carefully at any other apparent errors to see if there's hidden anagram or cipher. That inlcudes all the grammatical mistakes in the text. There are 4-5 "mistakes in almost every chapter. Now we know that the author is highly educated, and he had proofreaders (who did miss the beetle goof at the end of the book), so I kinda think the mistakes are also clues to study something for hidden meanings.

Niow, one NEW question;;; on page 77, I see the "there are thirteen on the left border as described multiple times. But in the bottom border I see Stadther and the bug doodles. I also see the word "clues" spelt around the bugs - the "cl on the left, then the bugs, then "ues" on the right, making it "there are thirteen clues" Does anyone else see this? Thoughts about meaning?
Nuff for now. Keep working, you guys!
Chris
PS Lildoc,
Glad that helped.
C

 

[roygbivosu]

Hey everyone, I'm totally new here. Just heard about the book yesterday from some friends and haven't even gotten a copy myself (though I plan on buying one at the nearest bookstore as soon as possible). I was just hoping to shed a little insight (or perhaps more confusion ) on one of the lines of the poem.

The solution that I've seen most often says:
(41) An even code with on(e) piece nary.

But several places I've also seen the word "nary" replaced by "wary" - since I don't have the book I don't know whether it looks like an N or a W, but here's what I think....

If the letter is indeed a W, the word "wary" doesn't make much sense in this context. But it could also be the word "awry" (which means amiss or out of the ordinary or in a position twisted to one side according to dictionary.com) - the fact that the W and A are out of order fits the very definition of the word "awry." So the clue would read "an even code with one piece awry" or out of place.

But then, I can also see how "nary" makes sense and goes along with the 25 letters of the alphabet with Q missing and it all fits in a 5x5 grid and etc etc etc. Gosh, I was so sure of myself when I first had the thought, but now I'm not so sure. Anyone else think I might be along the right track here?

Just remember, people, it's all in good fun! If it stops being fun, it isn't worth it...

 

[milkkanz]

Well, i have a few thoughts about what he hid the tokens in, ive mainly collect this from other peoples ideas and youve probably heard this already---> Okay, on the foreward page, where the clue says "Hidden well no eye can see" the big green blob that explains the story looks just like a Jug! Theres no denying this and theres no saying it was an accidnet. Also these two lines make me think that for sure the tokes are hidden in a jug of sum type---> "No digging or prying just reach inside" (reach inside the jug, it has to be in sumthing u can stick ur hand into, not open or move around) "Will spell out sanctuary" (Sanctuary is a place of safe keeping, not just a church LOL) So thats my thoughts on what the tokens are hidden in, lemme know what yall think.

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[Gaines]

Chris,
I have my Companion Book! I got it last night and spent several hours with it. I think that it will be a help, especially in regards to the ciphers and morse code. We have a wedding this weekend, but I will try and squeeze in some "treasure" time.
I like your idea about the tokens being hidden in fake rocks. This item has merit for several reasons. So many people seem to be concerned that an animal will carry off a token. A fake rock could certainly be designed with some substantial weight so that it would take a person to lift it. Also, it would be large enough in size that it is unlikely that an animal could "nest" over it without a person still seeing it. The tokens do seem rather small in the photos and that was a concern that I had. Another thought that I had was that it could hang from a branch near the knothole. I think that some of them might have some type of glowing device on them which would make them visible at night as Stradther likes to emphasize "not being afraid of the dark". I do not feel that all of them will be hidden exactly the same way.
I definately see the "clues" word on page 77. Perhaps the earlier post about the "clues" on the bottom of the larger photo pages will tie into that. I just feel that we have to get into the text at some point.
Everyone keep up the good work! Bonnie

 

[Boo]

This is in reply to treasureboy's earlier post:
"Okay, everyone with scanners and Photoshop listen up:

On the treasure's trove site, they have a kind of "Puzzle of the Week" thing. This week/months one involves moving branches of a tree over other branches to reveal the words "Treasure Trove."

http://www.atreasurestrove.com/Public/FeaturedPuzzle/index.cfm

That's the link. What I'm saying is that this technique is definately used in the book, so we should all keep our eyes open. "

I think that the dandelions seeds spell out something. I think we have to either trace the other ones from the other pages and over lay them on page 77 to spell something. I tried to do it some but I am not having any success. Perhaps someone else would care to give it a try.

 

[Gaines]

Oops! Forgot to mention one thing. If you to to the back of the book (page 110) and look at the token, the picture might back up my thoughts about a hanging token. There is a hole in the token. Now, what else could that be for? Bonnie