'CHUT - go to page 7 in this discussion board topic- you'll see a post by HandGems that lists most of the clues found thus far- including hidden insects.
Happy hunting everyone
Happy hunting everyone
Treasure Clue, can you help?
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'CHUT- have you tried using those VariColorGel glasses of yours that you mentioned to decipher what the bookcover on page 37 says?
Hey everyone - I found this nifty web app for helping solve anagrams:
http://www.gottfriedville.net/puzzles/anagram/
Hey everyone - I found this nifty web app for helping solve anagrams:
http://www.gottfriedville.net/puzzles/anagram/
CMSCHUT
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polkadots , i apologize i believe those are the ones hes made easy to find. ive already got those there are more hidden ones . like i know the spider has been mentioned before on the tool page . it is hanging down the right side of picture. follow the string down and the body is the plumb bob thingy and the leaves surrounding it are his 8 legs . when i found that i started looking for the others. ps yes those things are great the 3-d glasses. thanks for your help im going back to look for more on the red page .itll be nice to look at the book again ive been anagramming everything in all chapters and its getting annoying. there are tons of anagrams though. the other thing inoticed when i found the hidden spider was iheld the page up to a light and found that the spider is hanging right above the knothole in the tree on the next page some of the tools seem to fit perfectly in the tree. maybe a little too perfect i think . but i dont know from there. sorry to take up so much time.
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cal56
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Hi Gaines,
Saw you were at the tweleve site at the same time I was today but don't know how to say HI, there. Thank you for looking at the numbers. My eyes aren't that good, even with double magnifying glasses> I thought I could see numbers but I don't know if they will help. At this point I don't think anything is accidental in the book. Like I wrote before, I'd love to know the size of the original artwork.
I have the companion book. By the way, Barnes and Nobles had both books in stock today, so you should call before sending away for it. It has some interesting info on past treasure hunts and some unsolved historical hunts. For purposes of this hunt, it has a Morse code example (with the code), lots of cryptograms, a few anagrams, an example of the Vigenere code and the Caesar shift code, the pigpen code, and lots of illusions. Nothing on grids, really. There was a small book at B&N by Gardner on codes and ciphers that I bought today that may be more helpful to you. Keep up the good work! Keep looking at the artwork and what it says. Both Masquerade and Treasure had most clues in the artwork, because it's so open to intrepretation, whereas the text is not.
Chris
For Tommyerhunt - I didn't see anything on using colors to solve the celtic knots on page 20-21 in the companion book. Did you read my note to Gaines on page 9? Not saying that approach will work, but it's a start.
Saw you were at the tweleve site at the same time I was today but don't know how to say HI, there. Thank you for looking at the numbers. My eyes aren't that good, even with double magnifying glasses> I thought I could see numbers but I don't know if they will help. At this point I don't think anything is accidental in the book. Like I wrote before, I'd love to know the size of the original artwork.
I have the companion book. By the way, Barnes and Nobles had both books in stock today, so you should call before sending away for it. It has some interesting info on past treasure hunts and some unsolved historical hunts. For purposes of this hunt, it has a Morse code example (with the code), lots of cryptograms, a few anagrams, an example of the Vigenere code and the Caesar shift code, the pigpen code, and lots of illusions. Nothing on grids, really. There was a small book at B&N by Gardner on codes and ciphers that I bought today that may be more helpful to you. Keep up the good work! Keep looking at the artwork and what it says. Both Masquerade and Treasure had most clues in the artwork, because it's so open to intrepretation, whereas the text is not.
Chris
For Tommyerhunt - I didn't see anything on using colors to solve the celtic knots on page 20-21 in the companion book. Did you read my note to Gaines on page 9? Not saying that approach will work, but it's a start.
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jmock1
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has anyone went to look at the crystal pook at TT home page?? amazing!!! 
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pancho_semplice
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A Poem with holes?
Ok, so here is what I have confirmed as the hidden "poem" that is written throughout the book:
(10) Hidden well, no eye can see,
(16) Below sky and above earth be.
(19) ?
(21) Treasures tweleve for you to keep.
(22) Around the nation tweleve places to seek.
(25) Not on private property, nor anyone?s hands.
(31) Nothing to be disturbed thru the lands.
(33) Each is outside for you to find.
(36) ?
(38) No digging or prying, just reach inside.
(41) An even code with on piece nary.
(44) ?
(46) Will spell out the sanctuary.
(48) Within the text you have the key
(52) For the one that is missing you did not see
(55) ?
(59) A code of numbers, five to a side
(63) Reveals the name whereon on the treasures abide
(66) ?
(69) And they will show you where to go
(77) ?
(78) Seize your token and reach your goal
(80) ?
(83) Secret is not half, but it not whole
(88) ?
(93) ?
(101) ?
Here is my conundrum. All the listed lines are from full page pictures. The ? are also full page pictures without any discernable message. I haven't searched through the entire archive yet, so please forgive me if I am asking anyone to rehash something.
I believe there are more hidden messages in these ? pages simply because the poem does not have any sort of set rhyming pattern, and in terms of "There are thirteen" which I left off list, no constant rythmn. I know not all poems need to have this, but this poem clearly shows some sort of rhyming scheme and rhythm, but at this point in my hunt it is incomplete.
Anyone have any insight into this situation?
From a numbers standpoint, we have 18 confirmed lines, with 27 possible lines. Neither number, as far as I have seen, is significant.
As for the conversation about the Rusful picture, I believe you may be seeing more than is actually there, although I am sure you are certainly on the right track. I can't see squat.
There has also been a lot of talk about the roman numerals printed through out the book. Not sure if all of these numerals are real, or just stretches of the imagination. I don't think the answers are that clearly stated.
Ok, so here is what I have confirmed as the hidden "poem" that is written throughout the book:
(10) Hidden well, no eye can see,
(16) Below sky and above earth be.
(19) ?
(21) Treasures tweleve for you to keep.
(22) Around the nation tweleve places to seek.
(25) Not on private property, nor anyone?s hands.
(31) Nothing to be disturbed thru the lands.
(33) Each is outside for you to find.
(36) ?
(38) No digging or prying, just reach inside.
(41) An even code with on piece nary.
(44) ?
(46) Will spell out the sanctuary.
(48) Within the text you have the key
(52) For the one that is missing you did not see
(55) ?
(59) A code of numbers, five to a side
(63) Reveals the name whereon on the treasures abide
(66) ?
(69) And they will show you where to go
(77) ?
(78) Seize your token and reach your goal
(80) ?
(83) Secret is not half, but it not whole
(88) ?
(93) ?
(101) ?
Here is my conundrum. All the listed lines are from full page pictures. The ? are also full page pictures without any discernable message. I haven't searched through the entire archive yet, so please forgive me if I am asking anyone to rehash something.
I believe there are more hidden messages in these ? pages simply because the poem does not have any sort of set rhyming pattern, and in terms of "There are thirteen" which I left off list, no constant rythmn. I know not all poems need to have this, but this poem clearly shows some sort of rhyming scheme and rhythm, but at this point in my hunt it is incomplete.
Anyone have any insight into this situation?
From a numbers standpoint, we have 18 confirmed lines, with 27 possible lines. Neither number, as far as I have seen, is significant.
As for the conversation about the Rusful picture, I believe you may be seeing more than is actually there, although I am sure you are certainly on the right track. I can't see squat.
There has also been a lot of talk about the roman numerals printed through out the book. Not sure if all of these numerals are real, or just stretches of the imagination. I don't think the answers are that clearly stated.
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Gaines
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Chris,
I saw you on Tweleve today today for the first time. I had forgotten that you said that you used "Renart" there, but I was reading Doc's post and your's just popped out at me.
I made a little progress today on the block page (62). I actually came up with a zip code using the fairy's pointing clue and it was much easier than everyone is making it. Still, a zip code isn't a tremendous help. I also have some new thoughts on the poem overall. I read it over and over this morning and something jumped out at me. The part where it says, "An Even Code with One Piece Nary (Alphabet without Q) will spell out sanctuary". "Within the text, you have the key". Now, maybe this "key" within the text is just that the entire book, or text, tells us that it is the Q missing and is not a "key" to deciphering all of the locations as I had previously believed. Now, the next line, "A code of Numbers, five to a sides (zip code?) reveals the name where the treasures abide. Makes sense as zip code reveals the city where the treasures abide. "With name in hand, the fairies know, and they will show you where to go". Now, I am beginning to believe that the fairies and many of their pages are actual maps themselves, but we have to use the other clues to narrow down the location. Does this sound plausible to you or is that how you have understood it all along? Just thought I'd ask and see if I've been way off base. Thanks. Bonnie
I saw you on Tweleve today today for the first time. I had forgotten that you said that you used "Renart" there, but I was reading Doc's post and your's just popped out at me.
I made a little progress today on the block page (62). I actually came up with a zip code using the fairy's pointing clue and it was much easier than everyone is making it. Still, a zip code isn't a tremendous help. I also have some new thoughts on the poem overall. I read it over and over this morning and something jumped out at me. The part where it says, "An Even Code with One Piece Nary (Alphabet without Q) will spell out sanctuary". "Within the text, you have the key". Now, maybe this "key" within the text is just that the entire book, or text, tells us that it is the Q missing and is not a "key" to deciphering all of the locations as I had previously believed. Now, the next line, "A code of Numbers, five to a sides (zip code?) reveals the name where the treasures abide. Makes sense as zip code reveals the city where the treasures abide. "With name in hand, the fairies know, and they will show you where to go". Now, I am beginning to believe that the fairies and many of their pages are actual maps themselves, but we have to use the other clues to narrow down the location. Does this sound plausible to you or is that how you have understood it all along? Just thought I'd ask and see if I've been way off base. Thanks. Bonnie
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LitDoc
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I think there may be a message on page 66 that rhymes with "go." This would form a poem of 18 lines with rhyming couplets.
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pancho_semplice
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Bonnie,
I am right with you in your thinking about the poem. ?My only problem is that it just doesn't seem complete to me, especially when you consider the number of pages apparently unsolved. ?Of course, that could be a clue in and of itself, but that just doesn't seem to jibe with the nature of the book.
I also think that there are many folks digging a little too deep into the book. ?I don't think there are hidden numbers and letters randomly scattered around the book, other than the clear messages that have already been found. ?I honestly believe the book is written in code, and it is simply a matter of finding the correct starting point.
What needs to be pointed out is that there are 13 DIFFERENT solutions in this book. ?There seems this understanding that there is one master solution. ?I do not believe that is the case. ?The poem is the key unlocking the book's secrets. ?I don't believe anyone has completed it, and that is where I am concentrating most at this time.
I am right with you in your thinking about the poem. ?My only problem is that it just doesn't seem complete to me, especially when you consider the number of pages apparently unsolved. ?Of course, that could be a clue in and of itself, but that just doesn't seem to jibe with the nature of the book.
I also think that there are many folks digging a little too deep into the book. ?I don't think there are hidden numbers and letters randomly scattered around the book, other than the clear messages that have already been found. ?I honestly believe the book is written in code, and it is simply a matter of finding the correct starting point.
What needs to be pointed out is that there are 13 DIFFERENT solutions in this book. ?There seems this understanding that there is one master solution. ?I do not believe that is the case. ?The poem is the key unlocking the book's secrets. ?I don't believe anyone has completed it, and that is where I am concentrating most at this time.
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mday825
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I suggest you go through the rest of the posts.....the entire poem has already been figured out......
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pancho_semplice
Guest
What i am suggesting is that it is not figured out. I just did a search on 19, as in page number, and there has been no one to say anything near a solution to what the page's secrets are.
The poem as I have it in a few posts above this is incomplete. There is no set rhyming pattern, and the rhythm of the poem is also incomplete, see the line "There are thirteen". All the while there are a good many pages that have no apparent solution posted on this forum. Those pages seem to surround the very incongruities of the poem as it is currently presented.
Let me also point out that this is not some means of misdirection. I want to know what anyone has to say about these "unsolved pages".
The poem as I have it in a few posts above this is incomplete. There is no set rhyming pattern, and the rhythm of the poem is also incomplete, see the line "There are thirteen". All the while there are a good many pages that have no apparent solution posted on this forum. Those pages seem to surround the very incongruities of the poem as it is currently presented.
Let me also point out that this is not some means of misdirection. I want to know what anyone has to say about these "unsolved pages".
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LitDoc
Guest
In reference to page 19, why is there a star of David in the upper left hand corner? This is out of place when compared to the antique tools that are in the border and the content of the center illustration.
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pancho_semplice
Guest
Are you talking about the star at the top left? I believe that is simply a tool, and nothing more, however, I will give it another look! 
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POOKmakr
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Hey All,
First time posting, but have been reading some of your thoughts for the past few days.
1st as I see some have figured out, I think 3-D type glasses are essential. Why? Not really sure,
but none have posted about the dragonfly inside the cover. It is so obvious, I overlooked it for a while.
He's wearing these "sporty" red sunglasses. In no other illustration is he wearing these things, nor do they make
mention in the story. Besides, they don't look like cartoon sunglasses. So, I believe that this is some type of clue?
2nd. The pg 19 discussion has intrigued me. You can see way too much in those tools if you look too long!!
Having said that, I do believe that I see the words:
Across the top
TOOL (T=hachet handle O=pentagram O= inside of saw handle L= green branch)
down the left side
KEY (K=right angle tool, drill, spike: E=drill handle, drill, hammer handle, whetstone: reverse Y=wood carving, whetstone)
across the top right going down the right I think I see
OAK LEAF
Interesting point!! On page 49 (one of the few pages with oak leaves) there is that ruler tool??
Am I just seeing things? Tell me what you think!
Also.. the star in the top left is not the star of david(six pointed), it is a pentagram(five pointed)
First time posting, but have been reading some of your thoughts for the past few days.
1st as I see some have figured out, I think 3-D type glasses are essential. Why? Not really sure,
but none have posted about the dragonfly inside the cover. It is so obvious, I overlooked it for a while.
He's wearing these "sporty" red sunglasses. In no other illustration is he wearing these things, nor do they make
mention in the story. Besides, they don't look like cartoon sunglasses. So, I believe that this is some type of clue?
2nd. The pg 19 discussion has intrigued me. You can see way too much in those tools if you look too long!!
Having said that, I do believe that I see the words:
Across the top
TOOL (T=hachet handle O=pentagram O= inside of saw handle L= green branch)
down the left side
KEY (K=right angle tool, drill, spike: E=drill handle, drill, hammer handle, whetstone: reverse Y=wood carving, whetstone)
across the top right going down the right I think I see
OAK LEAF
Interesting point!! On page 49 (one of the few pages with oak leaves) there is that ruler tool??
Am I just seeing things? Tell me what you think!
Also.. the star in the top left is not the star of david(six pointed), it is a pentagram(five pointed)
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milkkanz
Guest
Sup everyone new to the forums but ive been doing my research, ill see what i can do to help you guys out....
Also, about the poem... no one seems to be getting page 44, while i was in school today i had a nice thought, havent seen if it works yet though, it seems to me like all the fairies are in pairs that are almost identical... could it possibly be that you need to put a mirror between the split images to reveal letters? Im going to give that a try. Let me know if you find anything else out about anymore lines of the poem! Thanks
Also, about the poem... no one seems to be getting page 44, while i was in school today i had a nice thought, havent seen if it works yet though, it seems to me like all the fairies are in pairs that are almost identical... could it possibly be that you need to put a mirror between the split images to reveal letters? Im going to give that a try. Let me know if you find anything else out about anymore lines of the poem! Thanks
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milkkanz
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Here guys, i created some invision powerboard forums to discuss this book in a more organized fashion, also this forum is dedicated only to a treasures trove and find the clues to the riddles, please join up and i need moderators, lemme know if your intrested heres the adress
http://s9.invisionfree.com/atreasurestrove/
http://s9.invisionfree.com/atreasurestrove/
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milkkanz
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jewels1301
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All,
I agree with the concept of focussing on figuring out the remaining pages in the poem. I have searched the posts not only here but elsewhere. I have seen several different interpretations for the tools input on page 19 but I am not seeing half of what I have read. I have been trying to figure the photos on page 55. The border is composed of clips taken from the center picture. I think solving this requires an accurate count of the clips pasted around the border and then that equates to the frequency of usage of letters probably in an anagram. The photo clips are larger than those in the master. There are also both normal and mirrored images included with individual clips piled on top of each other but not exactly so I can make out edges of the underlying clips. One difficulty is whether or not to subtract a mirror image from the count of like photos or add it. Another is how much of a photo should be counted like an entire face with a hat or just the hat? It is really a frustrating task but I believe it is the intended method for solving this line. Thoughts?
Jewels
I agree with the concept of focussing on figuring out the remaining pages in the poem. I have searched the posts not only here but elsewhere. I have seen several different interpretations for the tools input on page 19 but I am not seeing half of what I have read. I have been trying to figure the photos on page 55. The border is composed of clips taken from the center picture. I think solving this requires an accurate count of the clips pasted around the border and then that equates to the frequency of usage of letters probably in an anagram. The photo clips are larger than those in the master. There are also both normal and mirrored images included with individual clips piled on top of each other but not exactly so I can make out edges of the underlying clips. One difficulty is whether or not to subtract a mirror image from the count of like photos or add it. Another is how much of a photo should be counted like an entire face with a hat or just the hat? It is really a frustrating task but I believe it is the intended method for solving this line. Thoughts?
Jewels
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milkkanz
Guest
This just dawned on me.... Pg. 59's broken code is "A code of numbers, five to a side" . There is a pentagram in the upper left corner of page 19. Penta=5 this could be of some use or just another coinsidence. Lemme know what you guys think.
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