Treasure Clue, can you help?

Hey Cal56 (AKA Renart)!

For someone who works with words every day, all day, I did not coose the correct one on my previous posting. Instead of debunk, refute would have been the appropriate term. The first time I saw your interpretation of the tools page, I did not know enough then to understand it. I reposted it, hoping we could talk about the meaning now.
 

well, hopefully i did this scan right . this was a tip on a creature from trapape. she saw the caterpillar as the top of the tree in chap. 2 pg 20. in the drop cap box. i decided to take it further and see if there were any more .
 

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SORRY to post again. i really didn't think it would go through.

while i was doing the tracing on those bugs i was thinking on pancho's last post and my reply to it .
i think we are all struggling with the idea of whats considered digging to deep into the story and illustrations.

my thoughts are this. ms put everything in this book for a purpose. i believe it all has meaning. if we knew what we parts ( text or illustrations ) would lead us to the clues for the tokens we would have them already. i don't think it's the digging so much as it's the overanalyizing of what we found .

the reason i put these here was i had a thought that he hid these three on this page ( caterpillar, snail ,grasshopper ) because they are in relation to each other. maybe these 3 are within a days drive, maybe they are all 3 in different parts of say california. it was just a thought .

the last thought i had was the phrase ...within the text you have the key.. now he also says you don't need any special tools....maybe ( a thought only) he was refering to the tool page when he said it. sorry to post so long . carol
 

I think i have a smaller version of the photo from yesterday. apologize again for another posting and for the size of the last one . carol
 

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LitDoc,

I have found some other references that lead me to areas that would be accessible by a short hike. There is a place "within a days drive" from me that I was thinking about driving out to some weekend. I am curious and wary of this idea of "easily accessible". If indeed we are to take this to mean that these areas are wheelchair accessible then that would rule my ideas out. I've been trying to convince myself that he could not mean wheelchair accessible areas only based on the fact that clues keep pointing to trees adn forests.. seems like it would be difficult to maneuver a wheelchair through a forest.. thoughts?

as for Mt. Leconte, I highly doubt he would put a token at the "top" of the mountain as well.. although by the hiker sign in doesn't seem very plausible either..regardless... it's too far away for me to check anyway...
 

Newbie

I only heard about this book recently and got one on Friday (I don't have the cb, however).

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I think I found a MAJOR peice of the puzzle. ?You can only understand the solution, however, if you first read the story. ?It says that Zac found a box with smaller boxes in it, "five to a side." ?(25 squares) ?At the begining of some of the chapters, there are squares with 25 smaller squares inside.

One of the clues says, "A code of numbers, five to a side"

If anyone can find 25 numbers, LET ME KNOW!!!!! ?If you can find a group of 17, that also might work on the page where some of the boxes are black.

Also, for the clue, "An even code with one piece", there is only one puzzle piece on an even page number...it turns out to be an E, which seems to be appearing a lot in the book (such as tweleve).

If anyone can help me with either of these two puzzles, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that would appreciate this.
 

gonemad said:
next, page 68 the swarm of darklings they remind me a lot of the story by sir author conan doyle "the adneture of the dancing men" (also in the companion book)in which sherlock holmes had to decipher a code made from stickmen.---

gonemad, I have been thinking the same thing about this page, especially considering that there are a couple of recurring positions the darklings are in. ?Still, and I admittedly haven't pursued this much, it appeared that there were too many different positions to spell out any words. ?I'm going to have to go back and look once again. ?Did you ever figure out the stickmen puzzle in the companion book?
 

I thought that I would share some recent finds from page 68. Between the darklings, there is a dolphin - tail, eye, and all! Also, the numbers 3, 5, 4, 2, 4, 5 and the letters BRECA and WVG - not in that order, by the way. Now, I have no idea what these finds mean, but they are all over the page. Look closely. Any comments welcome.
 

Also, just for fun - on page 65, there is the number "25" in the mouth of the tree. Now, come on, everybody else share, too!
 

CM

Thanks for the welcome! I feel so late to the party ;D I love those drawings. I think I'm gonna try that too, see if there might be clues as to location also. I bought some tracing paper today, is it hard to do?

Gosh, everybody has so many good ideas, it's taking forever to go through the posts. wish I'd found this sooner :D
 

LIL BOO,

thanks. i decided to make a separate subjecrt for pictures of my creatures i keep finding all over the place . didin't want it to distract from everything else going on here . we have a lot of brilliant minds on here trying to come to some conclusions and i didn't want my pics to disrupt the flow of progress. check it out if you want. i finally figured out how to send a pic , so look out everyone. again welcome! we do have alot of fun here while we get work done.
 

Lucidious? arent you the one who started the sub-poem... if so could you please explain how you came about it.? i would like to use that info but until i can verify it i have to consdier it a wrong turn.? ?thanks

Sorry scarlet, I didn't start the sub-poem.
 

bamacherf said:
Has anyone tried to link pages together based on colors (of boarders or background), weeds in the bottom left, dandelions in the bottom right? etc.. Maybe joining pictures together they mean something different then individual/quote]

I think you may be right . i remember someone saying that each illustration could be a map. just a thought , could be one BIG map. i think i need another book!
 

chillijilli said:
Hi everyone, I just returned from the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, where I met Michael Stadther, saw the jewels (WOW) and met Robert Underhill, the jewelry designer. First and foremost, (to those of you who asked for general impressions) my immediate impression is that Michael and this contest are very legitimate. He was swarmed by schoolkids and delighted to tell them about the fairy tale, the jewels, etc. He loves kids--that's VERY apparent! Additionally, to those of you who are familiar with the dubious treasure hunt contest in the 80s, "Treasure: In Search of the Golden Horse": I asked him why the British Masquerade contest inspired him to write ATT, rather than the American "Golden Horse" contest. At the end of the 5 yr Golden Horse contest, when no one had found the buried gold horse, the contest sponsors refused to provide their official solution to the puzzle, leaving thousands of contestants in an uproar. This all was pre-web, and so contestants couldn't easily share info, etc. ?Eventually,(to avoid threatened legal action my numerous State Attorneys General), 2 contestants were purportedly "given" the location of where the horse had been buried, and they then worked backwards from the answer to find clues and publish their solution in a metal detecting magazine. Few, if any contestants accepted their illogical explanation. ?But when I asked Michael Stadther about The Golden Horse contest, he spontaneously said he had worked on it and actually solved it (also too late), but then proceeded to quickly draw a brief sketch of HOW he solved it, why he thought a part of the contest was unfair ("very, very hard") Yet the way he interpreted the clues made much more sense to us than the solution previously published. He is very credible, extremely articulate and obviously gifted.
OK, so those observations are my personal reasons for believing what he had to say about the following:
I asked him if there had been an inciting incident to cause him to recently change the wording on his website from "As of today, no tokens have been found" to "As of today, no tokens have been REDEEMED". He IMMEDIATELY and EMPHATICALLY responded, "NO! No incident! I just wanted to be extremely clear w/ my language because there's some crackpot out there (and I think he also mentioned his name) who is claiming it's been found!" I told him that I also am an author, and understand the importance of words. He restated that he wanted to make it perfectly clear that as far as he knows, as of today, nothing has been redeemed or found---but he can't come out and say that publicly or (I think he said "legally"??). And then he added, "At least that I know about"... To others who asked that I relay questions, he said he is not British, Helen is his wife, somebody asked about Helen of Troy and he said (in reference to his wife), "She's Greek". Sorry, but no comment on his religion. We moved on, as he was literally swarmed by people wanting him to sign their books. I strongly suggest that if you're in one of his tour cities, you attend a book signing. You'll find him a remarkable, intelligent and engaging man! And, the jewels??? UNBELIEVABLE!

Hi Chillijilli,
this is my first visit to this site. I saw your message about going to the book signing by Michael Stadther and your question re: Treasure In Search Of The Golden Horse. I worked on that puzzle for years (even after the hunt was over). Did he give you any clue to how he solved that one? I know you mentioned he didn't think it was really fair. Let me know if he had any comments that would shed light. Did you work on that puzzle by Dr. Crypton aka Paul Hoffman? Thanks in advance for your help,
Colettej :)
 

Haley here - do you think Ms (Michael Standther) could stand for Minnesota"s abbreviation (ms) maybe the Pook jewel (if there is one) could be hidden there because it says," For the th one that is missing you did not see."

JUST MY THEORY


? ? ? ? ---Haley? :D
 

Black-beard,

I was wondering how your trip on looking for tokens on I-80 went. I was thinking about you a day or so ago. Hope that you had fun on your search. And Pancho didn't you buy a plane ticket to the twin cities? How did that go or are you still waiting to leave?
 

Hi, LitDoc
I'm not sure what you want to discuss. My take on P 19 is that it's very early in the book and if my reading of the page is correct, it's letting us know to look for ciphers to solve the puzzles. The Hint Tackle repositorys anagrammed to both the crystal pook is 13 and to "start cipher key in tools' came much later. There's a logical progression based on 322 in the lower lleaf to chapter 3, p22 which has a hidden message about letter boxes containing the clues that hide the keys (presumably cipher keys). I think each illustrated full page of the book should build toward solutions if we can figure out both the apparent and the hidden messages. There's another way to read the last part of p19 but I didn't discover that until this week, and I'd rather not reveal that part now.
Let me know what you're seeing and I'll be happy to talk about it if I can.
Chris
 

hi all..... foreward...... " I HAVE NOT HIDDEN THEM IN REMOTE LOCATIONS". next .. does anyone own a THOMAS GUIDE for their area???????? lots of #s.
 

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