UPDATES ON THAT MY RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

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Plans got cancelled for sunday hunt because of storms. Well didnt rain in morn so I thought I wanted to get out, soon as i got into my truck started raining. Well drove to a wood site about 5 minutes down road. Got out of truck and walked about 3 min into woods started to rain as soon as i got a good deep reading. Well dug about foot down and i missed it was on bottem and on side of hole. Fell out into bottem of hole grabbed it and filled hole in. As im running back to truck I seen 97 great date. As I am running trru sticker bushes and all bloody and soaked made it to the truck. Put it in a baggie and left didnt stop raining till this am. Got home and ran water to get dirt off, and well this is what I found. 1797 Rare variety large cent in au condition I think . Told it might b a S 125 any ideas. HH Mark It is The rare S-125 r5 This is the best known condition in this variety out there.
 

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Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Don in SJ said:
chark21798 said:
Don in SJ said:
chark21798 said:
Thanks Don and everyone else, I can clean dirt off of it with Q-tip but that's the way it came from ground. There is not 1 pit or any damage what so ever. Neil has seen the coin no wear what so ever on it picture doesn't do coin justice. Also hard to tell from picture but she has die cracks? under chin that looks like a beard. I have been studyin my coin and all different varieties and just cant match um up to any. S 127 leaves on back just look to big these are more narrow. I just cant tell, And i am not an expert . Thanks again Mark

Gads, I missed the die clashing,(normal on a S-125) when I saw no swelling on the bust as stated that there should be for a S-125, I looked elsewhere, it is a S-125 and not a S-127, so it is a R-5 copper and worth some bucks. However, I still say it is not AU, but it is a very high CC coin (condition census for that variety) and it has some porous conditions, but not much, but again hard to tell with the dirt on photo. But I do have photos taken showing the porous conditions and one is of a 1796 I found and has very little porous problems, very smooth, for now here is a quick photo of yours, when you go negative on a shot it will show the pores. Recommend you take care of that coin. The coin might be worth more than Neil's Half Dime due to supply and demand. (More Large Cent collectors than Half Dime collectors)......But that all depends on environmental damage for overall grade.

Don
Thanks again for all your help. Now should I have this professionally cleaned graded and slabbed. And if so who and where. Well I am still taken in by this coin.

I usually don't say this but I think this one might do well to go to a grading service. Reason? With the details being so good, it might get designated as one of the top ones which would increase the value I think dramatically if you were to sell. But, you run the risk of the label "Improperly Cleaned" and or "Environmental Damage" if you do so. The only service that does clean and grading is NGC/NCS.(I think) I know one individual here had a horrible experience with them, but other than that I have not heard bad reports, but I sure have no experience in recommending them or anybody else.
Here is a S-125 that sold at auction, quite a bit of money,
http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=460&Lot_No=2128
Like I said, yours could be worth more than your buddies Half Dime, so be careful with whatever you do with the coin. Sometimes if a person wants to sell, it is best to go private, to do that, someone would have to spot your copper on-line and then they usually contact you. They would take care of cleaning, grading and slabbing, so you are in a win win situation. Perhaps joining and posting it on Collectors Universe site for opinions on condition would expose it to many of the top Large Cent collectors in the country! I will also contact one more individual who might offer some advice.

The former expert that was a big collector of Large Cents before he got into Colonials, really thought it was one of the tops for S-125, but like me, he saw evidence of some Environmental damage, but does appear to be minor from the photos your posted. The negative view, blown up is all telling on corrosion, I removed my earlier photo examples and sometime later will post some examples of rather good ground founds and ones that look rather good until you look closely and I think that is what the grading companies do, and no wonder so many of the detectorsits send in a great coin only to be hit with that dreaded Env damage remark... On the same auction site I found the big bucks figure were others that sold for a great amount less, and if that dreaded Env. tag goes on the slab, then the value drops dramatically..

Congratulations on making BANNER :hello2: It does belong there.

Don
Thanks again for all help don, i will have coin at the thurs meeting. mark
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Outstanding!!
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Wow, great find. I'm starting to think that you guys have plastic for soil up there.
 

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Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Wow. Sorry I didn't get here in time to vote for the banner.(you already made it). Someone must have run that one right from the mint to the field where you found it! Incredibly nice find......I am very happy for you!
 

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coinmaster2db said:
I guess what I've been doing wrong is spending all day hunting. :icon_scratch: It seems the key is to just run out there with a limited hunt time, dig up a stellar LC or half dime and split. :laughing9: WOW!! That is a beautiful coin. I'll bet the person who lost it knew the person that lost the 1/2 dime. I always think about crazy stuff like that, but it's cool to speculate about how and when things were lost. The how part, I don't know, but the when part was 1797. Amazing, truly amazing.

Congratulations!! :headbang:

Cm2db

The Flowing Hair Half Dime I found on Saturday and the Large Cent Mark found on Sunday were found about 6 miles from each other. The likelihood of these coins owner's knowing each other, at least being acquainted with each other, may be actually pretty good. There were huge plots of land owned by a few farmers back in the day. Many of the surnames are seen over and over on the old maps. It is possible that the owners of the coins were even related.


crazyjarhead said:
For sure the best coin that old that has ever been on here......................period :notworthy:

...um make that second best! ;D
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Neil in West Jersey said:
coinmaster2db said:
I guess what I've been doing wrong is spending all day hunting. :icon_scratch: It seems the key is to just run out there with a limited hunt time, dig up a stellar LC or half dime and split. :laughing9: WOW!! That is a beautiful coin. I'll bet the person who lost it knew the person that lost the 1/2 dime. I always think about crazy stuff like that, but it's cool to speculate about how and when things were lost. The how part, I don't know, but the when part was 1797. Amazing, truly amazing.

Congratulations!! :headbang:

Cm2db

The Flowing Hair Half Dime I found on Saturday and the Large Cent Mark found on Sunday were found about 6 miles from each other. The likelihood of these coins owner's knowing each other, at least being acquainted with each other, may be actually pretty good. There were huge plots of land owned by a few farmers back in the day. Many of the surnames are seen over and over on the old maps. It is possible that the owners of the coins were even related.


crazyjarhead said:
For sure the best coin that old that has ever been on here......................period :notworthy:

...um make that second best! ;D
that would b inline with a half dime right
 

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i believe the soil treated that one better than the air would have... congrats.. and yes i am jealous...
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: absolutely great find, those types of finds are what keeps us going!!!!!
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Not to bad, Ive seen better. Just kidding , great find man, It looked great when I saw it a sjmdc, from John dwyer
 

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Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

My God....what a beautiful coin!!!!

What can I say about this, except my sincere congratulations on a S-P-E-C-T-A-C-U-L-A-R find! :thumbsup:

I was lucky enough to find a 1797 large cent also, but it doesn't compare to this beauty!

I'm voting B-A-N-N-E-R!!!!!!

Larry G. :)
 

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wow, I vote banner. :laughing7: :headbang: :thumbsup:
 

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pointdlr said:
Without any regards to the rarity of the coin, that is the best large cent I have seen on this forum. I'm sure someone will remind me of another, but I can't think of it. Do you get many in that condition where you detect? My banner vote is in.
Regards,
Jon Dickinson.
Ditto.
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

WOW!
Missed your post but not your Banner :hello2:
Whatta coin :o
Your story of digging off to the side and the coin falling had shivers run up my spine.
That was close.
So glad she came out like she did ;D
Big Congrats !
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Nice find--well done!

All the best,

Lanny
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Great find!!!!

Don't know what your plans are , but if you are looking to sell you have a bigtime coin collector right in your own back yard. And, a private sale might be the way to go here. Phillies manager Charlie Manuel loves unusual coins. I don't know his likes/dislikes or price ranges, but he's got a few bucks to buy what he likes. Charlie will be back in town(Haddonfield more or less) in a couple weeks.
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Awsome Coin, sure don't come out of the ground like that here! Congrats on the banner!
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

That is a sweet looking coin ...Congrats :thumbsup:
 

Re: 3 Minutes THAT PRODUCED RARE VARIETY 1797 LARGE CENT AU CONDITION

Well I think ive made up my mind I think she going to auction house. So thanks again everyone who voted. This baby is the best known condition in the rare varity S 125 in the world. Thats what they tell me and so does the pop reports. MM HH
 

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