WATCH AND CLOCK MAKERS PRINTING PLATE..SOLVED BY DCMATT AND CURIOUS THE GEORGE!!

[civilman1]

When I get home I have an hour of daylight left Since it's deer hunting season,I split my time.I live on 154 ac. so I had a 1/2 hr. for the MXT and a 1/2 hr. for the Remington Anyway,let me start with I knew excactly what this puppy was when I popped the plug (9").....A mangled pice of brass Seriously,I put it on the recycle bin and left for the bank barn for the last 1/2 hr.Got back and soap and watered it with a soft toothbrush and started revealing bit by bit an engraving that I can't even get a decent image from.....Yet!!!!(stay tuned).It's all hatch marked on the front and as you can see in some of the cleaned picture's some of the detail........Enough said,In the Eye of the Beholder!!!By the way it was found 15ft. from my Block A button!!!

SEE BELOW OR READ FOR THE RIDE TO SEE FAR FROM IT!!!!

 

[Burdie]

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Fantastic my friend congratulations.

Burdie

 

[civilman1]

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Finally got some sun today to allow me to get some more detailed pic's,here they are....

 

[deathhare]

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Any luck figuring out what it says?

 

[civilman1]

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Any luck figuring out what it says?

Getting there.....at least I'm hopefull

 

[civilman1]

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If the lettering is backwards then it is an engraved copper printing plate, not a belt plate.

There's no chance it could ever be a printing plate George,not deep enough for one and the front side initial's read right.Clipped corner to boot.Solder mark's......I don't think so my friend

 

[jamesbibb]

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Thats a cool plate Joe. its tough to tell but use some goog magnification and study small sections and draw it out

 

[matt092079]

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Cool find, Joe!

 

[civilman1]

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Thats a great relic Civilman My hats off to you Nice piece off history Would display great in a frame with the history of the find and translation of all the inscriptions . M.R.

Thank's MR,that's excactly what I plan on doing!!

Fantastic my friend congratulations.

Burdie

Thank you Stan

 

[civilman1]

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Thats a cool plate Joe. its tough to tell but use some goog magnification and study small sections and draw it out

I thought about that Jame's but the hatch mark's would drive me crazy.Maybe if I get some time Sunday I'll fart around with it .Deer season still in?

 

[Curious The George]

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If the lettering is backwards then it is an engraved copper printing plate, not a belt plate.

There's no chance it could ever be a printing plate George,not deep enough for one and the front side initial's read right.Clipped corner to boot.Solder mark's......I don't think so my friend

Intaglio (play /ɪnˈtæli.oʊ/ in-tal-ee-oh) is a family of printmaking techniques in which the image is incised into a surface, known as the matrix or plate, and the incised line or area holds the ink. Normally, copper or zinc plates are used as a surface, and the incisions are created by etching, engraving, drypoint, aquatint or mezzotint. Collographs may also be printed as intaglio plates.

 

[MKnTenn]

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It's looking like there is a city map carved on it? Cool piece, HH

 

[VOL1266-X]

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Joe, here's why I thought it is printing plate. A couple of months ago, a friend of the Trio here in middle Tennessee dug this plate at an old home site. He thought he had dug a belt plate. He posted it on another internet site and it was quickly identified as a printing plate. The lady whose name is reverse printed on it was the future wife of Rufus G. Hibbet according to his research. Now, Rufus had a school named for him in Florence, Alabama and was the founder of Hibbet's Sporting Goods. Keep trying to read the name on your plate as it may be somebody famous too (especially considering your area). It's a good find. HH, Quindy.

 

[MiniMe]

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Why clipped corner and solder marks? I'm sorry, I don't agree. The one side is written backwards and the letters on the other side written correctly, which would make it a clipped corner decorated printing plate? . I still say belt plate, to each it's own I guess.

 

[pitdiggers]

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It would be completely possible that this clipped corner belt plate was broken then someone decided to engrave on it for self printing purposes after the fact. It looks like a belt plate to me though. I have been wanting one of those for a long time. It is on my bucket list!

 

[deathhare]

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If it were an printing plate it would be copper, not brass, eh?

 

[Curious The George]

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I don't see any place where it has been cleaned sufficiently to determine that it isn't copper.

 

[Curious The George]

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Here is the side with the reverse lettering. I have flipped it so the writing is no longer backwards. Changed it to a gray scale image and played with the contrast and brightness.

You can now see the writing as it would be if printed on a piece of paper. However I still can't read but a few of the letters. When the item is cleaned better then this could be done again so the writing could be read clearly.

 

[civilman1]

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"The other side the only thing I see that is recognizable looks like a pig, not lettering. Someone who sees lettering on that side please point out where"

8th pic down at the start of this thread.Letter's M (left) B (right) clear as day

 

[Curious The George]

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Here is the other image of the photo.

This one starts out upside down. I turned it right side up, then flipped it so the writing shows properly, converted to gray scale then played with the contrast and brightness.

Still can't make out very many letters. The first one in the first word looks to be an I, but could be a T. There is a decorative border around it and I think I see a bird with spread wings below the oval with the writing. Could be an eagle. That doesn't make it a belt plate, it was a common symbol after the founding of our country.

I am not trying to throw cold water on a great find. But I do think it ain't a belt plate.

Those who still think it is, tell me where to look for the places that the loops and hooks that would have been needed to put it on your belt were attached.

 

[Curious The George]

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"The other side the only thing I see that is recognizable looks like a pig, not lettering. Someone who sees lettering on that side please point out where"

8th pic down at the start of this thread.Letter's M (left) B (right) clear as day

That would be correct if the thing was being held right side up. When you turn that engraved area up, it's backwards, just like the lettering on the other side.