What are they off.

[Silver Searcher]

These Bronze Rings are a common find in the UK, but I have never had a true idea of what they are off, or used for some say Horse related, I have even seen them for sale as Celtic Ring money

What are everybodys thoughts on what they are, or might be used for as you can see they come in different sizes

SS

 

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[Silver Searcher]

No grief this end either. Did notice the rolling eyes smiley in reply#7 making a reference to Celtic money rings.

Just thought it was an interesting way to dodge BCH's question about dug condition of bronze

I'm not dodging anything IS I posted plenty coins in the outher thread that you two can't let go off but nobody would exept that they were dug coins, and wanted proof of a dug coin comming out like that, dipite my repeated replys nothing seemed to get through.

SS

 

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[shaun7]

I dont have any grief and Im cool with you SS. But I sometimes become very frustrated trying to communicate with you. You appear to talk in circles sometimes. I dont know if its my fault. But I have no hard feelings whatsoever. I am here to learn.

The point to the post was, the confusion of the rings, I don't know what they are off I thought it might make a interesting topic, but all I get is greif I see you and outhers like posting links, here's another website from your end, who try and make these out to be Celtic Ring Money.

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/ancientcoinscanada/store/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=26

Does anyone want to buy some Celtic Ring Money

 

[Silver Searcher]

I dont have any grief and Im cool with you SS. But I sometimes become very frustrated trying to communicate with you. You appear to talk in circles sometimes. I dont know if its my fault. But I have no hard feelings whatsoever. I am here to learn.

The point to the post was, the confusion of the rings, I don't know what they are off I thought it might make a interesting topic, but all I get is greif I see you and outhers like posting links, here's another website from your end, who try and make these out to be Celtic Ring Money.

http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/ancientcoinscanada/store/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=26

Does anyone want to buy some Celtic Ring Money

Try this site shaun.. http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/ancientcoinscanada/store/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=26

 

[ClonedSIM]

Good link IronSpike. It says that these are most likely horse harness rings.




A complex harness can have more than 20 rings, and someone finding a cluster of 20 bronze rings buried together with nothing else in the context, could easily conclude he had found a hoard of money items. But that conclusion would be incorrect.

Considering the role Horses and their harnesses played in the ancient and medieval world, one can only imagine how many millions of harness rings (or groups of rings) ended up buried in the ground. Consider that harnesses are sometiimes still being made this way, and have been for at least 3000 years, it is not generally possible to define the date or culture of a simple ring outside of it's burial context (or even in that context if all there is, is a cluster of rings). This is why the common practice of automatically calling them either Celtic, or ring money, is without merit.

I think this is a pretty good conclusion to come to. I didn't see any grief written in, just a response.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Good link IronSpike. It says that these are most likely horse harness rings.




A complex harness can have more than 20 rings, and someone finding a cluster of 20 bronze rings buried together with nothing else in the context, could easily conclude he had found a hoard of money items. But that conclusion would be incorrect.

Considering the role Horses and their harnesses played in the ancient and medieval world, one can only imagine how many millions of harness rings (or groups of rings) ended up buried in the ground. Consider that harnesses are sometiimes still being made this way, and have been for at least 3000 years, it is not generally possible to define the date or culture of a simple ring outside of it's burial context (or even in that context if all there is, is a cluster of rings). This is why the common practice of automatically calling them either Celtic, or ring money, is without merit.

I think this is a pretty good conclusion to come to. I didn't see any grief written in, just a response.

Then you should have read outher posts...directed at outher threads

SS

 

[IronSpike]

No grief this end either. Did notice the rolling eyes smiley in reply#7 making a reference to Celtic money rings.

Just thought it was an interesting way to dodge BCH's question about dug condition of bronze

I'm not dodging anything IS I posted plenty coins in the outher thread that you two can't let go off but nobody would exept that they were dug coins, and wanted proof of a dug coin comming out like that, dipite my repeated replys nothing seemed to get through.

SS

And all the posted coins weren't cleaned nor had been in protected environment that made them unlike the bronze rigns posted

 

[Silver Searcher]

No grief this end either. Did notice the rolling eyes smiley in reply#7 making a reference to Celtic money rings.

Just thought it was an interesting way to dodge BCH's question about dug condition of bronze

I'm not dodging anything IS I posted plenty coins in the outher thread that you two can't let go off but nobody would exept that they were dug coins, and wanted proof of a dug coin comming out like that, dipite my repeated replys nothing seemed to get through.

SS

And all the posted coins weren't cleaned nor had been in protected environment that made them unlike the bronze rigns posted

I see were you are comming from IS, so what's to say HH coin hadn't been in a protected enviroment before it was found, the Bronze rings posted are all from the UK, and as I have stated before the soil conditions here are Brutal to Bronze. The coins I posted were from outher countries, I can't see many fertelizers being used in desserts, were a lot of Roman coins have come from.

 

[IronSpike]

I would think water alone will start bronze to rust/patina. I'm sure fertilizer only making matters worse. Based HH's account of his find it was not in a protected environment nor from a dessert. You're right it could have been in different conditions prior to that then lost again and found by HH. If that was the case we aren't making a call based on HH's find, but rather adding a lot of assumptions.

I think your ring post is interesting and do not believe they were Celtic ring money. I think multiple usages with horse furniture being the most widely usage.

 

[Silver Searcher]

I would think water alone will start bronze to rust/patina. I'm sure fertilizer only making matters worse. Based HH's account of his find it was not in a protected environment nor from a dessert. You're right it could have been in different conditions prior to that then lost again and found by HH. If that was the case we aren't making a call based on HH's find, but rather adding a lot of assumptions.

I think your ring post is interesting and do not believe they were Celtic ring money. I think multiple usages with horse furniture being the most widely usage.

Hooray at last we agree on something defenatly not Ring Money by the way a freind of mine once found some celtic ring money, as it was a single find it meant that he could keep it(not more than one) he had to go to a inquest and argue his case that it was infact classed as money and not a Atrifact, which is what the Museum, was saying it was but he did get it back

SS

 

[shaun7]

I would think water alone will start bronze to rust/patina. I'm sure fertilizer only making matters worse. Based HH's account of his find it was not in a protected environment nor from a dessert. You're right it could have been in different conditions prior to that then lost again and found by HH. If that was the case we aren't making a call based on HH's find, but rather adding a lot of assumptions.

I think your ring post is interesting and do not believe they were Celtic ring money. I think multiple usages with horse furniture being the most widely usage.

Hooray at last we agree on something defenatly not Ring Money by the way a freind of mine once found some celtic ring money, as it was a single find it meant that he could keep it(not more than one) he had to go to a inquest and argue his case that it was infact classed as money and not a Atrifact, which is what the Museum, was saying it was but he did get it back

SS

So what's the difference between them, is it obvious?

 

[RPG]

Solved. I know what these are.

 

[Silver Searcher]

I would think water alone will start bronze to rust/patina. I'm sure fertilizer only making matters worse. Based HH's account of his find it was not in a protected environment nor from a dessert. You're right it could have been in different conditions prior to that then lost again and found by HH. If that was the case we aren't making a call based on HH's find, but rather adding a lot of assumptions.

I think your ring post is interesting and do not believe they were Celtic ring money. I think multiple usages with horse furniture being the most widely usage.

Hooray at last we agree on something defenatly not Ring Money by the way a freind of mine once found some celtic ring money, as it was a single find it meant that he could keep it(not more than one) he had to go to a inquest and argue his case that it was infact classed as money and not a Atrifact, which is what the Museum, was saying it was but he did get it back

SS

So what's the difference between them, is it obvious?

Yes shaun...very.

 

[shaun7]

I would think water alone will start bronze to rust/patina. I'm sure fertilizer only making matters worse. Based HH's account of his find it was not in a protected environment nor from a dessert. You're right it could have been in different conditions prior to that then lost again and found by HH. If that was the case we aren't making a call based on HH's find, but rather adding a lot of assumptions.

I think your ring post is interesting and do not believe they were Celtic ring money. I think multiple usages with horse furniture being the most widely usage.

Hooray at last we agree on something defenatly not Ring Money by the way a freind of mine once found some celtic ring money, as it was a single find it meant that he could keep it(not more than one) he had to go to a inquest and argue his case that it was infact classed as money and not a Atrifact, which is what the Museum, was saying it was but he did get it back

SS

So what's the difference between them, is it obvious?

Yes shaun...very.

Wow, top two look new

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yes they look new. My guess is they were cleaned or maybe gold.

Im sorry to mix threads here SS but pictures alone of shiny brass/bronze artifacts do not prove that they came out of the ground that way. They could have been cleaned. Do you understand? I hope to bury any grief or hard feelings.. I dont know what kind of protective environment could have kept an ancient Phonecian coin in the New World in such good condition but I guess its a slim possibility.


Back to this thread. Did you find them all together? How many?

 

[IronSpike]

I really like the 2nd money ring you posted Was that the find your friend made? 'Museum piece' and more indeed!!!

Maybe Celtic ring money confusion is caused by patina showing on some rings of gold with various degree of metal impurities like copper?

 

[Silver Searcher]

Yes they look new. My guess is they were cleaned or maybe gold.

Im sorry to mix threads here SS but pictures alone of shiny brass/bronze artifacts do not prove that they came out of the ground that way. They could have been cleaned. Do you understand? I hope to bury any grief or hard feelings.. I dont know what kind of protective environment could have kept an ancient Phonecian coin in the New World in such good condition but I guess its a slim possibility.


Back to this thread. Did you find them all together? How many?

The pictures posted were to show shaun, what Ring Money looks like, they are both Gold, the bottom one debased, the Bronze rings I posted were found in different places, and are a common find

SS

 

[Silver Searcher]

I really like the 2nd money ring you posted Was that the find your friend made? 'Museum piece' and more indeed!!!

Maybe Celtic ring money confusion is caused by patina showing on some rings of gold with various degree of metal impurities like copper?

Its caused by either people who don't know better or those making money from common items which have no value. Some are bronze (copper) core & the gold plating can come off, but they are small & thick generally speaking.

SS,
Interesting arguement your friend had, although I think the wording is single 'coin' so it would be a fairly hard one to win (althought I see an interesting debate). It is more artefact like. Remembering of course at this period there was no monetary system in the UK.

That's what they tried to use against him, no coinage in Britain at this time, so must be Artifact...they lost , he won

SS.

 

[allen]

those could have 100's of uses !!

 

[Silver Searcher]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MEDIEVAL-14TH...iewItem&pt=UK_Antiquities&hash=item5193ee541c
spotted a use for 1 of them

Yes that's one use Cru there will have been many uses for bronzed rings in ancient times, just like today with modern steel rings

SS

 

[seekeroforo]

Just an off-the-wall thought:

I didn't read all of this thread, sorry if it has been mentioned already. Any chance of it being chainmail related? or armor?