Where are the Dowsers Finds???

[aarthrj3811]

No IRS, no claim jumper, no gubbermint employee. Just curious. But, ask yourself this question. If Art is looking to avoid notoriety, why post anything about finding a gold vein in the first place? Just keep it to yourself. Just as you say, inquiring minds want to know. He knows so much about this supposed gold vein, surely he snapped a shot or two while he was there.....

Re: Where are the Dowsers Finds
Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Sep 24, 2008, 03:25:24 PM Quote Modify Remove
No need to know. I put up a discovery marker along with my claim papers and put my 6 claim markers at the corners and the center line. The hardest part was remembering how to read a map with UTM Coordinate and putting it on paper like the government wants it….This claim belongs to our kids. I may break a few more pieces off but I have no plans to mine it commercial….I find that I enjoy the hunt but the recovery is not much fun….

I guess the secret is out..The County, State and the Federal Government know where it is…Art

 

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[Old Fart in TN]

I know this isn't going to help much with what can or can not be found with rods. Long before I got back into metal detecting I worked as a electrician and had to do alot of trenching with a ditch witch or backhoe and sometimes the marking people(locating underground lines ie gas electric and water) didn't make it out or we waited to long to go to a location where they had marked but was no longer able to be seen. I would cut a few pieces of # 10 copper wire and bend into a L and could locate water and underground electrical lines. I'm sure it had something to do with the static? anyways I have not tried to locate any treasure with them. I have read a book on dowsing just haven't played with it. Do think I can find more with my metal detector. Jeff

 

[digman]

af1733,

Very correctly you state that dowsers make claims of finding amazing treasures, but never has anyone seen these treasures.
On the other side, amazing treasures have been found, but again nobody has seen them.

My personal opinion is that when you find a real treasure, the last thing to do is to post pictures on a treasure net forum,
and wait for congratulations and the rest from the members.
Someone has to be very naive in order to do such, and believe me, naive people never find a penny. Always ''someone else gets the lot''.

It is pointless to say that metal detectorists have no problem sharing their finds, but dowsers seem to hate it.
There is a great difference between your words ''real treasure found by dowsers'' and ''md's finds''.
I believe that there is no harm if you share a picture of a golden ring, for example, found on the beach.
But imagine if you find (and I wish you do) a box full of golden coins.... What do you do ?
I bet that the last thing to do is to take off your camera and take pictures for your unknown pall in the Net......

There is no difference between dowsers, metal detectorists or who else. We all want to search and find a treasure.
Some try this method, some try the other one. Some try both.
Some use these tools and equipment, some others use other. Some try all.

There is no point trying to persuade you to use one method or another.
Why bother ? For what reason ? What do I get out of it ?

Dowsing is a method (I don't want to use scientific term) that, for sure, it is not proved scientifically, as lots of things haven't.
But again, no one could convince me and you, to use it or not, unless we want to.

Thanks to the guys who run it, this is a forum to chat and discuss methods, equipment, etc. in order to find a treasure.
If someone can get something out of it, good !!
If not, keep up reading and trying, since ..... it is our hobby !!!

Happy new year, Digman

P.S.
Personally, I try to use everything, it is in my nature. I use dowsing too, believe me, there is nothing wrong with it.
From our forum I got some hints and tips that really helped me, thanks to the guys once again !!
Don't forget that there are many treasures around, perhaps each one needs different approach...

 

[ClonedSIM]

af1733,

Very correctly you state that dowsers make claims of finding amazing treasures, but never has anyone seen these treasures.
On the other side, amazing treasures have been found, but again nobody has seen them.

My personal opinion is that when you find a real treasure, the last thing to do is to post pictures on a treasure net forum,
and wait for congratulations and the rest from the members.
Someone has to be very naive in order to do such, and believe me, naive people never find a penny. Always ''someone else gets the lot''.

It is pointless to say that metal detectorists have no problem sharing their finds, but dowsers seem to hate it.
There is a great difference between your words ''real treasure found by dowsers'' and ''md's finds''.
I believe that there is no harm if you share a picture of a golden ring, for example, found on the beach.
But imagine if you find (and I wish you do) a box full of golden coins.... What do you do ?
I bet that the last thing to do is to take off your camera and take pictures for your unknown pall in the Net......

Another excellent post from Digman, thanks very much. I actually do enjoy reading you posts.

I guess the point of my argument is this; I can understand dowsers (or anyone for that matter) not wanting to post photos of their finds, assuming they are rare, valuable and something that another party would have interest in obtaining for themsleves. But, why, and this is a biggie, why would they want to go into a public forum and tell tales of all these amazing finds? I agree it's not the same thing as posting photos, but it's definitely tantamount to it.

What I'm driving at is that there is a basic difference between detectors and dowsers. If a detectorist did make an amazingly valuable find, you would either never know about it, or you would see pictures. With dowsers, you will hear everything about it, but would see nary a photo. You can see how this would generate distrust about the validity of these finds.

 

[stefen]

Geez... most MDers wet their pants trying to post a picture of a solitary corroded Indian Head penny they found after grueling hours in the rain and mud, or post a picture of a piece of some obscure-rusty-dog-turd-looking thingy wanting an ID....

As you said, and I paraphrase, the Dowsers, on the other hand, gives this big verbal song and dance, which to me is total BS.

You want the accalades and the Oh Boys and Oh Wow's, then provide the proof.

Posting treasure hunting finds is not a religious leap-of-faith verbal debate but the provision of supported actual facts.

 

[Mike(Mont)]

For the most part, dowsers are cache hunters. Cache finds are few and far between no matter how you hunt them, and if it was easy the cache would already be gone. I don't know about other dowsers, but I only get out few times a year. I could write a book on all the dangers and obstacles I have encountered. I guess the question could be "Do you value your life more than the cache?" I can only believe that most people are disillusioned about dowsing. "Point the rod, dig the treasure, and be rich the rest of your life." sure sounds nice. Wish it was that easy.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Geez... most MDers wet their pants trying to post a picture of a solitary corroded Indian Head penny they found after grueling hours in the rain and mud, or post a picture of a piece of some obscure-rusty-dog-turd-looking thingy wanting an ID....

As you said, and I paraphrase, the Dowsers, on the other hand, gives this big verbal song and dance, which to me is total BS.

You want the accalades and the Oh Boys and Oh Wow's, then provide the proof.

Posting treasure hunting finds is not a religious leap-of-faith verbal debate but the provision of supported actual facts.

Dead-on correct, Stefen.

 

[ClonedSIM]

For the most part, dowsers are cache hunters. Cache finds are few and far between no matter how you hunt them, and if it was easy the cache would already be gone. I don't know about other dowsers, but I only get out few times a year. I could write a book on all the dangers and obstacles I have encountered. I guess the question could be "Do you value your life more than the cache?" I can only believe that most people are disillusioned about dowsing. "Point the rod, dig the treasure, and be rich the rest of your life." sure sounds nice. Wish it was that easy.

This would explain the "Found it, but didn't dig it" motto a lot of dowsers seem to live by.

Maybe a better question would be,

"Why tell fantastic stories of amazing treasures you know are there but are too difficult and/or dangerous to retrieve?"

It seems to serve no purpose, and it certainly couldn't be because you want someone else to go out and risk their life trying to retrieve a treasure that you've never seen.....

 

[Sky Pilot]

I don't want to be part of anyone's argument, but please consider this: The left side of the brain is the creative side, we're told, and the right side the logical side, so, that being apparently the case, each side, being separated by the "tough mother", or Dura Mater in Latin, it would seem to follow that both have different electrical patterns. If that is true, then we are also told the left "brain" works the right side of the body and vice versa. Now, I have no dog in the race, but logic would seem to indicate that when a person holds conductive material in both hands, wouldn't there be some sort of electro magnetism, as the separate sides of the brain operate on different electrical impulses? Maybe allowing the two sides to "act as one", in some way we are not aware of? Just a thought!! Great hunting and good luck to all, no matter how you choose to do it!! Regards, Richard.

 

[digman]

I understand your point af1733, but I can not convince you either way.
most things in life, are strange, perhaps dowsing is one of them,
whats your opinion about ''dezavu'', this is strange too, isn't it?
Digman.

 

[vibes]

Geez... most MDers wet their pants trying to post a picture of a solitary corroded Indian Head penny they found after grueling hours in the rain and mud, or post a picture of a piece of some obscure-rusty-dog-turd-looking thingy wanting an ID....

As you said, and I paraphrase, the Dowsers, on the other hand, gives this big verbal song and dance, which to me is total BS.

You want the accalades and the Oh Boys and Oh Wow's, then provide the proof.

Posting treasure hunting finds is not a religious leap-of-faith verbal debate but the provision of supported actual facts.

Dead-on correct, Stefen.

I am always searching for grace and ease in life. Can I prove I found such gems? Kinda, sorta, if ya catch me on a good day Anyway, I found this quote awhile ago and feel it fits this particular thread on dowsing.

It is said that a Zen master instructed his student to look at a flag snapping in the wind.

'Does the flag move, or the wind?' he enquired

The puzzled student could make no reply.

'it is neither,' said the Master, for it is the mind that moves.'
***********

It's ALL about intent. Or a powerful intention.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I don't want to be part of anyone's argument, but please consider this: The left side of the brain is the creative side, we're told, and the right side the logical side, so, that being apparently the case, each side, being separated by the "tough mother", or Dura Mater in Latin, it would seem to follow that both have different electrical patterns. If that is true, then we are also told the left "brain" works the right side of the body and vice versa. Now, I have no dog in the race, but logic would seem to indicate that when a person holds conductive material in both hands, wouldn't there be some sort of electro magnetism, as the separate sides of the brain operate on different electrical impulses? Maybe allowing the two sides to "act as one", in some way we are not aware of? Just a thought!! Great hunting and good luck to all, no matter how you choose to do it!! Regards, Richard.

Oh, you definitely have a point. I myself have seen studies about electrical impulses in the human body, so there's really no debate about that, but the debate comes to play when you consider that these electrical impulses are tiny, recordable but miniscule. And then to claim that these tiny impulses somehow enter into a brass rod and shoot out the end, find a piece of metal buried in the ground, and have enough strength to fly back to the rods, into the hands, and somehow tell the brain where that metal is, well, it just kind of falls apart there.

 

[aarthrj3811]

You see af you have no idea about how dowsing works. You have it completely backwards. Have we ever told you that something shoots out of the rods? I think not. I think that we have told you that the signal comes from the object. Big difference. By the way…..Did even know what the subject is?.....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

You see af you have no idea about how dowsing works. You have it completely backwards. Have we ever told you that something shoots out of the rods? I think not. I think that we have told you that the signal comes from the object. Big difference. By the way…..Did even know what the subject is?.....Art

The subject of this thread is the lack of dowsers finds....... But I digress......

So what you're saying is that there is a piece of gold in the ground, just sitting there being inert, yet it's somehow sending off signals? Do these signals go in every direction or, as you seem to suggest, do these signals seek out people holding dowsing rods?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Inert….In English, to be inert is to be in a state of doing little or nothing. Where are the Dowing finds? Where you find them....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Inert….In English, to be inert is to be in a state of doing little or nothing. Where are the Dowing finds? Where you find them....Art

Inert….In English, to be inert is to be in a state of doing little or nothing.
You're absolutely right, Art, that is almost exactly how I intended the word to be read. In this instance, I referred to gold as being inert because it is not affected by elements surrounding it, such as it does not rust, and it does not tarnish, and also that gold does just sit there. It's essentially a rock, albeit a valuable rock, but nothing more than a clump of one certain mineral. When a metal detector runs over a hunk of gold it doesn't beep becasue it picked up some signal the gold was putting off.

So, can you tell me what kind of signal the gold is putting off that you can detect?

 

[Sky Pilot]

Thus my dilemma, being a pragmatist. Good luck to all!! Happy Hunting!! Regards, Richard.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Do I know how objects produce Signal Lines? No I don’t and neither do you. All I need to know is how to find them, follow them to the object and dig them up.
Do I know why the signal line makes the rods turn? No I don’t. Do I need to know this? As long as they keep turning for me and others I don’t care.
Why do I post my thoughts and methods on the internet? Because I can and I enjoy it….Art

 

[Sky Pilot]

 

[ClonedSIM]

Do I know how objects produce Signal Lines? No I don’t and neither do you. All I need to know is how to find them, follow them to the object and dig them up.
Do I know why the signal line makes the rods turn? No I don’t. Do I need to know this? As long as they keep turning for me and others I don’t care.
Why do I post my thoughts and methods on the internet? Because I can and I enjoy it….Art

Do I know how objects produce Signal Lines? No I don’t and neither do you.
This isn't entirely correct. You don't know how gold produces signal lines. Fine, but you can't say the same for me. I can't find anything that suggests a gold nugget would produce any kind of signal. If it were producing some kind of signal, surely this signal could be detected by other means, as well?

Why do I post my thoughts and methods on the internet? Because I can and I enjoy it….Art
Great, although I don't recall asking you anything about this?? Also, the same can be said of everyone here.......