"Why do these quarters sound so funny?".....

CHAINCHOMP · May 14, 2011

"Why do these quarters sound so funny?".....

A girl that i know, not very well, but know her nonetheless, had a small stack of quarters, and was complaining that someone gave them to her, and they were "fake". she would drop them from one hand to the other accordion style..."clink clink clink clink"...she would then complain that they sounded really funny, so they were fake. other people around us agreed, that they were abnormal. unfortunately i only had a dollar on me, so i offered her a dollar for one of the quarters...she then takes the dollar and says i can have all of them, since she doesnt care, because they were fake...i didnt protest the matter :laughing7:

.....i received 5 silver washington quarters, $1.25 face value, for $1.00

1 x 1944~
1 x 1946~
1 x 1947~
1 x 1950-D
1 x 1963~

nice conclusion to the matter...she was happy cuz she got rid of her "fake" quarters, and i was happy to get them

keep it up and hh! [R.I.P. Rich Hartford]

harryb007 · May 15, 2011

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If and when she realizes she gave about $40 for $1 she is gonna be pissed.

GopherDaGold · May 15, 2011

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By not disclosing what the coins were, when he knew, there is your intent to defraud. Look it up, I did:

Intent to defraud is the intention to deceive others. It involves a specific intention to cheat others, for causing financial loss to others or bringing financial gain to one’s self. Intend to defraud can also include an intention to deceive others, and to induce such other person, in reliance upon such deception, to assume, create, transfer, alter, or terminate a right, obligation, or power of a property. (And yes you DID cause her financial loss. If it was a $10.00 Carson City gold piece and you gave her a tenner for it, you caused her financial loss regardless of the contents of her brain housing group, which shouldn't even be at issue.)

If this were a bank or retail shop I would have no misgivings about it at all as long as an even exchange had occurred. Perhaps this is the reason the gal you ripped off is merely an acquaintance and not a friend.

I suppose ethical behavior and honesty only belong on the detecting side of the forum?

cuttybce · May 15, 2011

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She was defrauded a total of 25 cents, nothing more. If the OP gives her another quarter, they should be even.

GopherDaGold · May 15, 2011

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No, she was SHORTED .25. She was DEFRAUDED out of $35.00, give or take.

I'd like to see what would happen if the OP goes back to tell her that those were, in fact, silver quarters worth a bundle and he knew the whole time as he was making the transaction.

GopherDaGold · May 15, 2011

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cuttybce said:
She was defrauded a total of 25 cents, nothing more. If the OP gives her another quarter, they should be even.

If you are so sure, why the should and not would ?

ivan salis · May 15, 2011

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chain clearly shes a "silver dolt" a person unaware of silver coinage or its value -- its to your advantage that your --"silver wize" == that said -- since you only ask for one of them for a dollar and she basically "gave" you the other four of em to be "rid of what she stupidly viewed as "fake" quarters"-- next time you see her slip her a quarter to at least even things up face value wize . ( that makes it a even exchange quarter for quarter wize )-- now if the ones you got are silver and ones she got were clad , well that's the way she wanted it --so be it.

jim4silver · May 15, 2011

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GopherDaGold said:
By not disclosing what the coins were, when he knew, there is your intent to defraud. Look it up, I did:

Intent to defraud is the intention to deceive others. It involves a specific intention to cheat others, for causing financial loss to others or bringing financial gain to one’s self. Intend to defraud can also include an intention to deceive others, and to induce such other person, in reliance upon such deception, to assume, create, transfer, alter, or terminate a right, obligation, or power of a property. (And yes you DID cause her financial loss. If it was a $10.00 Carson City gold piece and you gave her a tenner for it, you caused her financial loss regardless of the contents of her brain housing group, which shouldn't even be at issue.)

If this were a bank or retail shop I would have no misgivings about it at all as long as an even exchange had occurred. Perhaps this is the reason the gal you ripped off is merely an acquaintance and not a friend.

I suppose ethical behavior and honesty only belong on the detecting side of the forum?

If you were correct about an "intent to defraud", there would be a crime that was committed. But there was not a crime. Just because one party is unaware of the value of something, does not mean the other party has a duty to inform the other. The OP is not a coin dealer with a store, in which case I believe he would have a duty to disclose (from a "moral" point of view). Further, if she was a friend or relative then he should have disclosed, but based on the OP's post she was neither.

If we are going by "intent" the girl was more guilty of bad intent, because she thought she was getting a dollar for fake coins which presumably she thought were worthless. If she was upstanding and thought the coins were truly fake, she should have offered to give them to the OP. By taking money for the "fake" coins it shows she bargained for what she received in my opinion.

Jim

GopherDaGold · May 15, 2011

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Nope, wrong again but I'm done pontificating on the matter. You can find me on the detecting side where integrity and Honorable Mentions abound.

captainfwiffo · May 15, 2011

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You should ask where she got them. If she asks why, tell her they're old and use a different alloy, which is why they sound funny.

Agro · May 15, 2011

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isn't OP a she?

cuttybce · May 15, 2011

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If you are so sure, why the should and not would ?

Simple.....because "should" is an expression of my opinion, not fact. "Would" is an expression of fact, not opinion.

BuffaloBoy · May 15, 2011

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reguardless of what others say on this post, there is nothing wrong wwith doing what you did. If she was happy to get rid of them for $1, and you were happy, it's a win-win situation. Plus due to the fact that you knew her but didn't know her well was an advantage.

To the people making those snappy posts, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. That is a simple social manner that should have been learned in second grade. Yet some people are arrogant and think they can say and do whatever. I can name a few on this forum(only 1 person from above).

Keep up the good work, I enjoy reading your encouraging posts!

HH
BuffaloBoy

JJtheRollHunter · May 15, 2011

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Get a grip. It's the lady's own damn fault that she thought they were fake. I sure as hell wouldn't be the one to tell her that they are worth $30 in silver or that they are real. Congrats on the cheap silver, and may there many more "fake" coins to buy from her. (R.I.P Rich Hartford)

BuffaloBoy · May 15, 2011

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JJtheRollHunter said:
Get a grip. It's the lady's own damn fault that she thought they were fake. I sure as hell wouldn't be the one to tell her that they are worth $30 in silver or that they are real. Congrats on the cheap silver, and may there many more "fake" coins to buy from her. (R.I.P Rich Hartford)

amen!

cuttybce · May 15, 2011

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Ah, the age old argument gets cranked up again. Feel free to dig through the old threads as during the 18 or so months that I have been posting on here it has been debated several times. Is it wrong to buy something (anything) from someone for less than what the said item is worth? This question really has no "correct" answer as its all a matter of opinion. I am of the opinion that its the sellers' obligation to know what things are worth and price them accordingly. In my opinion, the only thing the OP did wrong was to not find out where the "fake" quarters came from so he could possibly go get more of them. Sounds like a solid roll of silver quarters got opened out there somewhere.

For those of you that disagree, then in my opinion you cannot purchase anything anywhere for less than an item is worth. If you spot a silver coin in a teller's tray, you cannot buy it for face value. According to your logic you'd be ripping off the bank and/or the teller. You must pay what it is worth. If you order a box of coins and find coins worth more than face value in that box, then you must return to the bank from which they were purchased and pay the bank what the coins were worth. If you go to a yard sale and see an item that you know you can resell for $25 but has a price tag of $5, then you cannot buy the item for $5 - you must pay $25. As I said, you cannot purchase anything anywhere - whether that is from an individual, yard sale, flea market, coin shop, auction, thrift store, Wal-Mart, Bubba's Used Tire barn, etc etc etc - for less than its true value.

I'm not saying that I am definitely right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. It is an unprovable argument that comes down to opinion. In this case, those "fake" quarters would have just been spent for face value. I don't feel the OP did anything wrong whatsoever. Feel free to disagree.

HH! [R.I.P. Rich Hartford

Sums it up perfectly (in my opinion, of course).

captainfwiffo · May 15, 2011

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Buying things for much less than they're worth and taking advantage of peoples' ignorance is a time-honored part of antiquing. When I was kid, I had to put up with my parents stopping at every antique shop when we were on the road somewhere. My Dad's thing was Fruit Jars, my mom was into German porcelain. I recall one incident in particular in Michigan's U.P.; my mom spotted a bowl with a picture of a windmill marked $75. I knew enough at a glance to know that was wrong. The owner asked if it was "hand painted" as my Mom haggled her down to $60.

When we got back to the car, she turned it over and pointed to the mark on the back. It was R.S. Prussia, worth about $1600.

kb4iqm · May 15, 2011

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GopherDaGold said:
By not disclosing what the coins were, when he knew, there is your intent to defraud. Look it up, I did:

Intent to defraud is the intention to deceive others. It involves a specific intention to cheat others, for causing financial loss to others or bringing financial gain to one’s self. Intend to defraud can also include an intention to deceive others, and to induce such other person, in reliance upon such deception, to assume, create, transfer, alter, or terminate a right, obligation, or power of a property. (And yes you DID cause her financial loss. If it was a $10.00 Carson City gold piece and you gave her a tenner for it, you caused her financial loss regardless of the contents of her brain housing group, which shouldn't even be at issue.)

If this were a bank or retail shop I would have no misgivings about it at all as long as an even exchange had occurred. Perhaps this is the reason the gal you ripped off is merely an acquaintance and not a friend.

I suppose ethical behavior and honesty only belong on the detecting side of the forum?

Omission is not deception in the eyes of the law when a first party (the buyer) is not legally obligated to inform a second party (the seller) that there is a possible misunterstanding of the value of an item. Deception is where a first party intentionally misleads a second party into a value misunderstanding to cause financial loss to the second party, or financial gain to the first party. In this case, the second party was not INDUCED by the first party to misunderstand the value. The misunderstanding on the part of the second party was a pre-existing condition that the first party was not legally obligated to correct. These were sovereign individuals, and there is no mention of any pre-existing contract requiring full disclosure on the part of either party. Regardless of the many possible interpretations of Statute Law, this is clearly discerned in predominant case law, and it is predominant case law which guides the legal system in this country.

Bob

treeslayer · May 15, 2011

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It sounds like some people are just jealous. I was also wondering if the metal detecting side tells the property owners the value of their finds and pays them something. After all we want to be fair. Keep it up CHAINCHOMP , find that silver. HH and good luck.

silverfinder20 · May 15, 2011

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I do not understand why the word "ignorant" was deleted in the first post I posted a couple of days ago. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant. It just simply means lacking the knowledge of a particular subject. It is offensive to call someone stupid as some people have posted on this forum. However, although he didn't give her the full amount in face value, he did absolutely nothing wrong. She knew that she had $1.25 and she was offered only $1 and she willingly accepted the offer. She was not offended by the offer he had made her. After all she did have 5 quarters in which she could have only sold him 4 for a fair trade in her behalf (not really a fair trade due to the silver value, but a fair value for someone who is ignorant to gresham's law). I don't believe anything was wrong with this deal because she could have only sold him 4 quarters for the 1 dollar federal reserve note. In this case, the $1 bill was worth more to her than the 5 "fake" quarters (silver).

silverfinder20 · May 15, 2011

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I cannot believe this board censors the word "ignorant" and here you let captainfwiffo say the word ignorance. They have the same meaning to them but structured in a sentence differently from one another. Like I said it is not a swear word or a negative word. It is just describing someone who is lacking knowledge.