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I know all the landlubbers have settings for relics and gold nuggets etc.. To simplify, I’m only concerned with beach wet sand and water settings. I’m used to ONE tone for the past 25 years. I’m wondering what everyone else is using for tones. I believe I left mine in three with no threshold. For no particular reason. I’d appreciate any input as I’m considering going to all tones. Thanks for any and all advice. 🙏🏖️
 
I know all the landlubbers have settings for relics and gold nuggets etc.. To simplify, I’m only concerned with beach wet sand and water settings. I’m used to ONE tone for the past 25 years. I’m wondering what everyone else is using for tones. I believe I left mine in three with no threshold. For no particular reason. I’d appreciate any input as I’m considering going to all tones. Thanks for any and all advice. 🙏🏖️
It's All-Tones for me. I recently picked up an X-Terra Elite to augment my Sovereign Elite which I've been running for the last 14+/- years. The Sov is a BBS SMF with 17 frequencies. Running in disc mode, there's a ton of separate tones depending on the conductivity of the metal. The higher the conductivity, like silver, the higher pitch the tone, the lower conductivity, like gold, the lower pitch the tone, but all metal/pinpointing mode was just 1 tone. Although I have a separate target number meter for the Sov, I never used it as it's a separate box and added more bulk to an already bulky rig. So, without a meter or screen, I had to depend on audio tones to use as my target ID.

There's a lot of addition information in audio and trust me brother, when you sweep that coil and get a nice, smooth, low tone, your heart will start racing because smooth low tones have a great chance of being gold. Once you learn the tones, you'll have a good idea of what the target is before you even look at the screens target ID. The great thing with the X-Terra Elite, is that I get the best of both worlds, visual target ID and all-tones. When sweeping the coil, you're not looking at the screen, but the all-tones audio will give you that first indication that you might have something good. Then, you can double check with the screens target ID#, so why not use both? The more information we can get before we dig the better.

Best advice I could give would be to try all of the tone options of the X-Terra Elite to see what resonates best for you. All-Tones can drive some guys nuts, other guys may prefer using just 1 tone, or 2, or 5. Everyone has their own preference, but after using the Sov with all-tones for over a decade, I was happy that the X-Terra Elite gives me an all-tones option, as that's what I was used to. If you do decide to try all-tones, just be prepared for it to take some time to learn. Regardless of what target ID you're getting on the screen, you should dig EVERY signal in all-tones, so that your brain can start connecting the different tones to the different types of targets. It does take time and practice to learn all-tones, but IMO, it's definitely worth it. And there's just something gratifying about getting a certain tone, knowing that it's a nickel, digging down and finding that it indeed was a nickel.
 
It's All-Tones for me. I recently picked up an X-Terra Elite to augment my Sovereign Elite which I've been running for the last 14+/- years. The Sov is a BBS SMF with 17 frequencies. Running in disc mode, there's a ton of separate tones depending on the conductivity of the metal. The higher the conductivity, like silver, the higher pitch the tone, the lower conductivity, like gold, the lower pitch the tone, but all metal/pinpointing mode was just 1 tone. Although I have a separate target number meter for the Sov, I never used it as it's a separate box and added more bulk to an already bulky rig. So, without a meter or screen, I had to depend on audio tones to use as my target ID.

There's a lot of addition information in audio and trust me brother, when you sweep that coil and get a nice, smooth, low tone, your heart will start racing because smooth low tones have a great chance of being gold. Once you learn the tones, you'll have a good idea of what the target is before you even look at the screens target ID. The great thing with the X-Terra Elite, is that I get the best of both worlds, visual target ID and all-tones. When sweeping the coil, you're not looking at the screen, but the all-tones audio will give you that first indication that you might have something good. Then, you can double check with the screens target ID#, so why not use both? The more information we can get before we dig the better.

Best advice I could give would be to try all of the tone options of the X-Terra Elite to see what resonates best for you. All-Tones can drive some guys nuts, other guys may prefer using just 1 tone, or 2, or 5. Everyone has their own preference, but after using the Sov with all-tones for over a decade, I was happy that the X-Terra Elite gives me an all-tones option, as that's what I was used to. If you do decide to try all-tones, just be prepared for it to take some time to learn. Regardless of what target ID you're getting on the screen, you should dig EVERY signal in all-tones, so that your brain can start connecting the different tones to the different types of targets. It does take time and practice to learn all-tones, but IMO, it's definitely worth it. And there's just something gratifying about getting a certain tone, knowing that it's a nickel, digging down and finding that it indeed was a nickel.
I agree 100%. Matter of fact you just reminded me I have a Garret Freedom 2 plus I ought a new coil for last fall for my grandson to use. I remember learning tones on that. Especially the dimes 😬.
I’ve been finding 98s are whole beer cans 18” down. Or chunks of lobster traps. I stopped digging them. I also have been passing on a ton of single digit numbers. I know I know. Now I can go back and start all over again. As much as I love my Surfmaster PI, this Elite is like (I’m assuming) having a mistress half my age. It’s just a thrill every time I turn it on. My wife is convinced I’m crazy leaving the house at 3 am and hunting in the dark til daybreak. Wait til I start leaving at midnight. But that’s usually when I’m getting to bed.
I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer me. And that’s exactly what I was hoping someone would say. Thank you thank you thank you.
My wife and daughter are at the other end of the beach I usually hunt right now and she’s texting me photos. It’s a mile of sand and there’s less people where she is. Probably because it’s $25 - $45 to park depending on volume. And free on the end where I go but you have to be early. Low tide is mid day and midnight right now. I can’t wait to get back out there. Again. Thank you so much. I’m remembering where those low numbers were. In the trashy dry sand. 👍
 
I agree 100%. Matter of fact you just reminded me I have a Garret Freedom 2 plus I ought a new coil for last fall for my grandson to use. I remember learning tones on that. Especially the dimes 😬.
I’ve been finding 98s are whole beer cans 18” down. Or chunks of lobster traps. I stopped digging them. I also have been passing on a ton of single digit numbers. I know I know. Now I can go back and start all over again. As much as I love my Surfmaster PI, this Elite is like (I’m assuming) having a mistress half my age. It’s just a thrill every time I turn it on. My wife is convinced I’m crazy leaving the house at 3 am and hunting in the dark til daybreak. Wait til I start leaving at midnight. But that’s usually when I’m getting to bed.
I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer me. And that’s exactly what I was hoping someone would say. Thank you thank you thank you.
My wife and daughter are at the other end of the beach I usually hunt right now and she’s texting me photos. It’s a mile of sand and there’s less people where she is. Probably because it’s $25 - $45 to park depending on volume. And free on the end where I go but you have to be early. Low tide is mid day and midnight right now. I can’t wait to get back out there. Again. Thank you so much. I’m remembering where those low numbers were. In the trashy dry sand. 👍
You are most welcome. IMHO, all-tones audio opens up another world of target ID that should complement the visual target ID numbers on the screen. But many times, all-tones audio will give you more information that the visual target ID might miss.

For instance, let's take the highly valuable and elusive pull tab, lol. A pull tab can masquerade as a variety of targets. If you're only using 1 tone, a pull tab could sound just like any other target, so it can easily be mistaken for a gold ring, or a nickel, etc., as they typically give off a pretty smooth tone thanks to the beaver tail portion of the tab. As I was learning all the tones on my Sovereign, pull tabs would trick me quite a bit in the beginning. But as I gained more experience learning the tones, which is why it's important to dig everything so that you can visually see what the tones are telling you, I started noticing very subtle nuances in the tones that I didn't notice when first learning.

If you think about a pull tab, you have a beaver tail connected to a circular ring for your finger so you can pull the tab off the can. The beaver tail is a smooth, solid piece of metal, whereas the ring isn't solid, as it's a ring of metal that's hollow in the center, so the conductivity of the ring will be slightly different than the conductivity of the beaver tail. With my Sovereign's multiple tones, I started noticing a very slight difference in the tones when scanning a pull tab in certain directions. The recovery speed of a Sovereign is pretty slow, as its processor is older technology, so I had to slow my swing speed way down when checking the target at different angles. But it should be much easier with the X-Terra Elite, as its recovery speed is lightning fast compared to my Sovereign.

When my coil was over the beaver tail portion, it was a smooth mid to mid-high pitch signal. When the coil reached the ring part of the pull tab, the conductivity changed slightly as there wasn't as much metal as the beaver tail since it was hollow, making it a bit more difficult to get a signal as smooth and as strong as the beaver tail. The recovery speed of the X-Terra Elite is miles ahead of my Sovereign, so it will be a lot faster and easier to hear subtle differences.

This is all happening very quickly, in an instant, so once you get the initial signal, it's important to stop and sweep the target from a variety of angles & different directions. Sweeping the coil in one direction may give me a pretty solid tone, but after I switched my swing 45 degrees, then 90 degrees, I sometimes would hear a faint and subtle double "blip" with 2 very slightly different tones as the coil went over the beaver tail portion, then over the ring portion. It's very subtle but once you learn the tones and start hearing it, it becomes a lot easier determining if the target is a pull tab.

Since this happens so fast, your visual ID meter may or may not show you a change in numbers, but by using all-tones, you'll get to the point where you can hear the difference in the 2 pieces of the pull tab when swinging the coil in the right direction. Again, this is very subtle, happens quickly, so that's why it's important to check the target by sweeping at different angles, along with practicing and digging everything to train your brain to recognize the different tones you'll get with different targets.
 
All tones can be a bit much for most especially starting off at beach. 5 tones is good in sence it gives u separate tone id per the 5 sections plus the NULL for iron. Or 2 tones is super simple. U either over a target or not. Only sound deffernce will be iron bias/FE or not. Then looking at target id will help determine item.
 
All tones can be a bit much for most especially starting off at beach. 5 tones is good in sence it gives u separate tone id per the 5 sections plus the NULL for iron. Or 2 tones is super simple. U either over a target or not. Only sound deffernce will be iron bias/FE or not. Then looking at target id will help determine item.
Yeah, good point. I'm just used to swinging a Minelab Sovereign Elite, and in discrim mode, it's all tones, although I do have a switch to change to a fixed tone. But after swinging that Sov for the last 14 years, there's lots of great target ID info in all tone's audio.

But for those not used to it, I can see where it could be a bit challenging. It took me a lot of time before I could start hearing subtle nuances of the tones. I may try 5 tones on my X-Terra Elite, that might be enough and easier to decipher potential targets.
 
Yeah, good point. I'm just used to swinging a Minelab Sovereign Elite, and in discrim mode, it's all tones, although I do have a switch to change to a fixed tone. But after swinging that Sov for the last 14 years, there's lots of great target ID info in all tone's audio.

But for those not used to it, I can see where it could be a bit challenging. It took me a lot of time before I could start hearing subtle nuances of the tones. I may try 5 tones on my X-Terra Elite, that might be enough and easier to decipher potential targets.
After 30 years of a surfmaster PI I had no problem learning to love all tones. And my VCR is still flashing since forever cuz I’m lacking skills. Just saying. But I still get a thrill when I’m expecting just another nickel to appear and a gold ring pops up.
 
After 30 years of a surfmaster PI I had no problem learning to love all tones. And my VCR is still flashing since forever cuz I’m lacking skills. Just saying. But I still get a thrill when I’m expecting just another nickel to appear and a gold ring pops up.
Roger that. I recently picked up a "new to me" Dual Field PI, used it yesterday, its 4th hunt, and found a 925 ring with what looks to be diamonds around the entire band. I'll have to get a diamond checker thing to see if they're real or fake, but a ring is a ring, it was thrilling nonetheless, and my first ring with the PI.

Interesting thing though, I'll chalk this up to my experience with my Sov, but yesterday when swinging the DF, I started noticing very subtle differences in the tone. It's a PI so only 1 tone, but there's a lot of information hiding in that one tone, very subtle differences that I was able to pick up. And on 2 targets that I thought would be coins based on the tone I was getting, they turned out to be coins. Then the 3rd coinish signal I got, I was debating if it was a coin, but I had a feeling it was a good target, the tone was just too good to be trash, and it was the 925 ring.
 

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