200 yrs old? Pirate? Native? Or religious? Any hidden meaning? Treasure map?

[Joecoins]

Hello,
I have something real special,
Purchased at a fleamarket in quebec.
It was literaly tangled with a bunch of stuff and i had to cut some other peices to get it loose from the pile.

I need help finding out its purpose and significance.
Please take a look at the photos ,its worth it!
I included a photo with important notes i have made on the peice.
Thanks in advance.
!!!!New and better photos, Beads page 8, Coins pg9.!!!!!
New photos again! Page 11

 

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[Joecoins]

Still waiting to hear from sothebys collectables been 4 weeks, otherwise i have no idea where or who to have appraise this

 

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[Customx_12]

Still waiting to hear from sothebys collectables been 4 weeks, otherwise i have no idea where or who to have appraise this

Christies? Antiques Roadshow?

 

[Joecoins]

Ya right... I halfway tried christies.....
And antique roadshow ive looked at but i cant find the dates for any events nearby anytime...

 

[Joecoins]

If i had the money id go to gold and silver pawn lasvegas

 

[Customx_12]

If i had the money id go to gold and silver pawn lasvegas

Pfft! Those guys don't know anything except how to get arrested.

Have you checked out allexperts.com? They might have a place you can post it. If someone can't answer, maybe it will get you some leads.

 

[unclemac]

this guy has helped me in the past with beads I have found, perhaps he can help you as well.

Indian Trade Beads ? Thefurtrapper.com

 

[unclemac]

these folks too could maybe help

Trade Beads -- Illinois State Museum

 

[Joecoins]

I feel like giving an update for those that are intersted.
I am still researching this... I have spoken with the MET, the smithsonian, the museum of man, and many universities, still waiting to hear from the Hispanic society of america, usualy they say they dont give appraisals or do research, and i ask them if a curator isnt there?? And i explain how it could have anthropologic significance .
Still nobody has any info for me.... Anyways
On my list of things to do is get it analyzed by xrf.
I do have some new observations to share, and atleast one question,
? French brass fur trade beads? I have read about them but despite searching many times , i havent seen a single example...anyone ever seen one
I read the natives were very perticular to get thin metal, perhaps to make beads, etc.? Althought i still hope they could be a native gold alloy "electrum", wich was used by the Chavin culture, and others, chavin goldwork looks the same color.
My first new observation, under a rare earth magnet the 3 cross beads show attraction, the magnet wont stick at all , but when hanging ,the 3 crosses will swing towards the magnet, I think this means they were Polarized, what can that tell me?? also the large round oval beads of wich i count 22 , some 3 or 4 show very slight attraction , also i noticed there is some green wax residshown some beads. I also polished part of one bead with an eraser, it looks much more shiny now like gold, the medal with jesus also has some rainbow tonning when i look at it in the right light. And one of the first beads has two small markings,
Also i notice whenever the beads and medal clash, it rings like precious metal to my ears

 

[relic lover]

Thanks for the update. I am quite interested. I did a ton of research looking for Beads like yours never found anything quite like it

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[Joecoins]

Heres two new photos one all spread out and one beign worn

 

[Joecoins]

Here is the marked bead, two markings, unusual to the rest of the carvings.

 

[Joecoins]

I should mention the magnetic attraction is while i hold the magnet still.

 

[Lasercats]

Just read most of the thread. Very interesting! I don't understand how some people didn't realize that every bead is different. Before one comments, they should actually take a closer look at the item that they are commenting on. Also, when I was reading, I thought since the coins aren't all the same material the most likely all corded at different rates, hence making them look like they were recently all placed on the necklace. I know you mentioned something similar to that earlier, which I found interesting since I thought of the same thing.

 

[cw0909]

thanks for the update, anytime i researching at a online museum collection
i look for your type of bead necklace. the other day i was looking here but
forgot to look for a brass bead necklace. went back when i seen your post
updated. i found this one, havent looked at all
click on img for a zoom
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A string of brass beads strung on a rawhide strand.
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[TH="class: tdTitle, align: right"]Subjects[/TH]
[TD="class: description"]Made in United States
Used by Indians of North America.
Used in Minnesota, United States
Indians of North America.--Clothing.
Indian. Clothing. Accessories. Adornment
Trade & Industry. Major Industry. Fur Trade[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: tdTitle, align: right"]Dates[/TH]
[TD="class: description"]Creation: Not earlier than 1825 - Not later than 1925[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

i searched,....fur trade brass beads....Narrow by Date Range 1700-1850
Collections Online : mnhs.org

 

[GopherDaGold]

Has there been a determination as to what the item actually is? I have seen examples of prayer beads and even 18th century rosaries on the internet that, while not as exquisitely crafted as this, are patterned in much the same way.

 

[cw0909]

i looked at a few more pgs, tried narrowing to
just brass beads 1700-1850, nothing that looks
like yours, agreed op looks like a rosary style
pattern,i think this was discussed b4, but not
much info, and this blog dosent have a lot of
info mostly an opinion.
im not Catholic and no nothing of the Rosary
have you taken it to a priest/Catholic church
for an opinion to see if it is a Rosary, sorry
if you mentioned it i dont remember

Guatemalan coin rosary
Mad in Pursuit

Rosary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary

 

[Joecoins]

Well I have actualy brought it to a preist a long time ago i was refered to by an antique dealer, this preist was the authority of anything to do with the church, he was a church historian, he said it defenitly had nothing to do with the church.
Church medal were mass produced etc..
While it looks like a rosary, i beleive that is coincidence,
Nothing of the pattern matches a rosary,

Also no determintion has been made yet,
I even went to my local university today and spoke with several proffesors,
The image u showed me doesnt look similar at all.... The only resource i think with a similar image would be a book someone else mention from 1500s german I have not been able to find it. Rosario della sacratassima vergine maria?

 

[Joecoins]

Actually. Beads are broken up like this ,16,16,12,58,12,14,15,4coins,3crosses, 150 beads total, that is the only similarity to a rosary, and that would be to the 12th century... But also there is one tiny hidden bead, so actual 151 beads, anyone seen a 150 bead rosary I would like to compare the pattern, most modern rosarys have the cross / medal hanging from a single strand.

 

[Joecoins]

Also i have 3 distinct styles of beads , oval, chunky , and thin

 

[Joecoins]

Ok , here is one more detail I have maybe over looked to mention.
It weights 184.4 grams. - 6 OZT
It is very Hefty.