An example of why NOT to ask at innocuous public places (Long)

[Tom_in_CA]

302guy, you've got the pyschology figured out! Your example is a type of "... do you need/want more" type thing. But yes, the psychology is the same when it comes to the "can I detect?" questions. And it works like this: the mere fact someone is standing there asking "can I", presumes that a) something is inherently wrong with your chosen activity (damaging, or evil, or .....) that you had to ask, to begin with (lest why else would you be asking if it were innocuous?), and b) that their princely sanction was needed from them (lest why else would you be asking, if this didn't need their approval?).

Thus a lot of times, we merely dictate our own "no" answer. In the same way as your example, of "dictating more work to do", because he asked, and put that ball in someone's court, to "come up with things for him to do". Good example.

 

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[scurvy_seadog]

very enlightening post good advice to take along with me. thanks

 

[Detector Wars]

Good thread, it happened to me. To cut a long story short, I asked permission and was told no, anyone else who didn't have a chat to the groundskeeper is able to detect on this ground.

 

[allen]

Allen, how does your point work in the situation I post here, at the start of this thread? Ie.: why doesn't anyone "get arrested" and "go to jail" here? And what would happen, with the specifics/legalities I point out here, if persons were to seek permission in my example case?

So I'm trying to make sense of your post, in light of the facts given in this example.

I am saying here in Kentucky if you get caught detecting on private property it is the right
of the property owner to have you arrested. That is why I said get permission or go to jail.
There are no beaches in my area but I do detect all schools, parks and other public areas.

 

[jeff of pa]

if you think about it, it's not Brain Surgery

If your at a picnic in the park & someone brought horse shoes.
would you run to the recreation committee , and ask if you can,
or would you find a flat area, hammer in a steak and have a game,
even as it tears of the Grass ?

if some decided to play football, would they check with recreation first ?

they don't ask if they can have fun, why should we

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I am saying here in Kentucky if you get caught detecting on private property it is the right
of the property owner to have you arrested. That is why I said get permission or go to jail.
There are no beaches in my area but I do detect all schools, parks and other public areas.

Allen, this post was/is not about "private property" or "trespassing". Read again.

 

[WVPapaw]

Why not to ask

Here is something to think about that will probably add confusion and frustration to the issue. As a deer and small game hunter, I know that some states consider it a violation to enter any privately owned property unless you have written permission from the owner. Alabama is a good example. It does not matter if signs are not posted against trespassing or if there are no fences. The good news is that most metal detectorists will ask for permission first.

 

[Frankn]

I seriously think that some people have knuckled down to accept a controlled form of existence. For them the pioneer spirit is dead and gone. They are doomed to lead suppressed lives. Just my opinion, Frank...
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[SeabeeRon]

Here is something to think about that will probably add confusion and frustration to the issue. As a deer and small game hunter, I know that some states consider it a violation to enter any privately owned property unless you have written permission from the owner. Alabama is a good example. It does not matter if signs are not posted against trespassing or if there are no fences. The good news is that most metal detectorists will ask for permission first.

Again, this thread is not about PRIVATE property, it concerns PUBLIC lands.

 

[shinerod]

If it's public property, then go ahead and detect. I've had people threaten to call the cops on me while detecting on public property. I tell them to go ahead and call...never had the cops come yet.

 

[CincinnatiKid]

Great thread, but simply put, if you are in doubt detecting any site with out permission, DON'T!
Peace